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Michael A. Terrell
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:08 pm
D Yuniskis wrote:
Quote:
Hi Michael,
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
D Yuniskis wrote:
grin> When my other half visits one of her friends to
"paint together" (watercolor), they do so *in* her bathroom!
Then you have to hose them down with a garden hose when they're done?
;-)
I think that would make the paint run! :-/ (I think watercolors
remain "soluble" indefinitely?)
Not their work, I was talking about to clean up them and the
bathroom. :)
Quote:
I simply can't imagine how they can get all those drawing tables
in there and room for chairs, etc. <shrug> Always seemed a waste,
to me, to have "finished space" in a home. More to keep clean,
decorate, pay taxes on, insure, etc.
I'd much rather a thousand square feet of *basement* that
doesn't raise taxes, doesn't require "dusting", furnishing,
etc. I wonder if they make "basement only" houses? (not just
below-grade)
in there and room for chairs, etc. <shrug> Always seemed a waste,
to me, to have "finished space" in a home. More to keep clean,
decorate, pay taxes on, insure, etc.
I'd much rather a thousand square feet of *basement* that
doesn't raise taxes, doesn't require "dusting", furnishing,
etc. I wonder if they make "basement only" houses? (not just
below-grade)
I always wanted one of the old, decommissioned missile silos so I
could really play 'Mad Scientist!'. ;-)
Quote:
Or, as my Chicago friends did: 2500 sq ft for an indoor
swimming pool (odd sensation to be swimming in a heated
pool while the snow is falling outside) -- though I wonder
what the insurance and taxes were on *that*! :-/ <shudder
(at least you don't have to *dust* it!! :> )
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Michael A. Terrell
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:11 pm
Jim Thompson wrote:
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My wife likes to tell of the football jock in high school who took her
on a date and attempted to fondle her... she slapped him expertly and
he gave up.
A few weeks later he took a bath with his toob radio perched on the
edge of the tub. The final zap-p-p-p-p
Tell her that I said it was 'Too bad about the poor radio'.
Quote:
Poetic justice, but she's still pissed (even though that was like 54
years ago)... the high school erected a plaque in his honor, because
he was a football player
years ago)... the high school erected a plaque in his honor, because
he was a football player
They always treat jerks as something special.
One of the football players at my high school thought he was
indestructable, till his car fell on him.
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Richard Henry
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:35 pm
On Mar 11, 11:27 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:45:34 +0000, Tim Watts <t...@dionic.net> wrote:
John Larkin <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 16:58
No power in bathrooms? Where do you plug in your electric heater, hair
dryer, wide-screen TV, vacuum cleaner, circular saw, or oscilloscope?
Though seriously... A long long time ago, my father (Electrical Engineer,
power specialist, worked for the London Electricity Board as was) was called
to give expert opinion at an inquest.
It centered around the death of a man who had balanced an open bar electric
heater on the side of his well earthed bath (RCDs didn't much exist then).
The inevitable happened. Not sure why they needed an expert opinion but
there you go...
My wife likes to tell of the football jock in high school who took her
on a date and attempted to fondle her... she slapped him expertly and
he gave up.
A few weeks later he took a bath with his toob radio perched on the
edge of the tub. The final zap-p-p-p-p :-)
Poetic justice, but she's still pissed (even though that was like 54
years ago)... the high school erected a plaque in his honor, because
he was a football player
John Larkin <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 16:58
No power in bathrooms? Where do you plug in your electric heater, hair
dryer, wide-screen TV, vacuum cleaner, circular saw, or oscilloscope?
Though seriously... A long long time ago, my father (Electrical Engineer,
power specialist, worked for the London Electricity Board as was) was called
to give expert opinion at an inquest.
It centered around the death of a man who had balanced an open bar electric
heater on the side of his well earthed bath (RCDs didn't much exist then).
The inevitable happened. Not sure why they needed an expert opinion but
there you go...
My wife likes to tell of the football jock in high school who took her
on a date and attempted to fondle her... she slapped him expertly and
he gave up.
A few weeks later he took a bath with his toob radio perched on the
edge of the tub. The final zap-p-p-p-p :-)
Poetic justice, but she's still pissed (even though that was like 54
years ago)... the high school erected a plaque in his honor, because
he was a football player
No GFCI protection?
As part of the electrical upgrade which prompted this thread, I
replaced one of the breakers in the breaker box on the deck with an
arc-fault/ground-fault type.
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
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Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:11 am
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:34:23 -0700, D Yuniskis <not.going.to.be_at_seen.com>
wrote:
Quote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:02:06 +0000, Tim Watts <tw_at_dionic.net> wrote:
I have heard of someone wiring to the German VDE100 regs (which allows power
sockets in bathrooms) and having it stamped by their building inspector. Bit
of a mess right now...
We (the US) can have outlets in bathrooms, but they must be GCFI
protected.
Only on new works. The fallacy with all these regs is everything
is always grandfathered in. :-/
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:02:06 +0000, Tim Watts <tw_at_dionic.net> wrote:
I have heard of someone wiring to the German VDE100 regs (which allows power
sockets in bathrooms) and having it stamped by their building inspector. Bit
of a mess right now...
We (the US) can have outlets in bathrooms, but they must be GCFI
protected.
Only on new works. The fallacy with all these regs is everything
is always grandfathered in. :-/
Not always though code changes are usually grandfathered because retrofits can
be very expensive.
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
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Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:15 am
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:28:22 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:
Quote:
Tim Watts wrote:
Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 16:15
Tim Watts wrote:
Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 15:44
Does your country have a NEC?
We have a similar set of regulations, BS7671 aka The IEE Wiring
Regulations, 17th Edition.
Although curiously, they are not statutory, meaning that an engineer
could ignore them, though adherence to them would prove a good defence in
court if anything when wrong.
Another weirdness is that apparantly, we can choose to wire to any of the
EU member states' regulations in order to satisfy Building Control,
though they whole electrical thing has rather confused them anyway.
I have heard of someone wiring to the German VDE100 regs (which allows
power sockets in bathrooms) and having it stamped by their building
inspector. Bit of a mess right now...
What's the big deal with that? GCFI outlets in US bathrooms are
common, and some larger bathrooms have reqular outlets for a vacuum
cleaner or space heater.
Not permitted here, unless you have a very large bathroom.
Some are the size of a small bedroom.
Our master bath in this house is about the size of my son's room in our first
house. The shower is larger than the floor space in the bathroom in that
house and we have 2 more bathrooms (3.5 vs 1.5).
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
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Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:19 am
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:08:23 -0700, D Yuniskis <not.going.to.be_at_seen.com>
wrote:
Quote:
Hi Michael,
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
D Yuniskis wrote:
grin> When my other half visits one of her friends to
"paint together" (watercolor), they do so *in* her bathroom!
Then you have to hose them down with a garden hose when they're done?
;-)
I think that would make the paint run! :-/ (I think watercolors
remain "soluble" indefinitely?)
I simply can't imagine how they can get all those drawing tables
in there and room for chairs, etc. <shrug> Always seemed a waste,
to me, to have "finished space" in a home. More to keep clean,
decorate, pay taxes on, insure, etc.
I'd much rather a thousand square feet of *basement* that
doesn't raise taxes, doesn't require "dusting", furnishing,
etc. I wonder if they make "basement only" houses? (not just
below-grade)
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
D Yuniskis wrote:
grin> When my other half visits one of her friends to
"paint together" (watercolor), they do so *in* her bathroom!
Then you have to hose them down with a garden hose when they're done?
;-)
I think that would make the paint run! :-/ (I think watercolors
remain "soluble" indefinitely?)
I simply can't imagine how they can get all those drawing tables
in there and room for chairs, etc. <shrug> Always seemed a waste,
to me, to have "finished space" in a home. More to keep clean,
decorate, pay taxes on, insure, etc.
I'd much rather a thousand square feet of *basement* that
doesn't raise taxes, doesn't require "dusting", furnishing,
etc. I wonder if they make "basement only" houses? (not just
below-grade)
I'd like to have a basement too, but SWMBO nixed the only house we looked at
that had a basement - 2300sq. ft. of basement.
Quote:
Or, as my Chicago friends did: 2500 sq ft for an indoor
swimming pool (odd sensation to be swimming in a heated
pool while the snow is falling outside) -- though I wonder
what the insurance and taxes were on *that*! :-/ <shudder
(at least you don't have to *dust* it!! :> )
swimming pool (odd sensation to be swimming in a heated
pool while the snow is falling outside) -- though I wonder
what the insurance and taxes were on *that*! :-/ <shudder
(at least you don't have to *dust* it!! :> )
Just think of the mold and rot issues. Yuck!
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
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Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:24 am
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:27:22 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:45:34 +0000, Tim Watts <tw_at_dionic.net> wrote:
John Larkin <jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 16:58
No power in bathrooms? Where do you plug in your electric heater, hair
dryer, wide-screen TV, vacuum cleaner, circular saw, or oscilloscope?
Though seriously... A long long time ago, my father (Electrical Engineer,
power specialist, worked for the London Electricity Board as was) was called
to give expert opinion at an inquest.
It centered around the death of a man who had balanced an open bar electric
heater on the side of his well earthed bath (RCDs didn't much exist then).
The inevitable happened. Not sure why they needed an expert opinion but
there you go...
My wife likes to tell of the football jock in high school who took her
on a date and attempted to fondle her... she slapped him expertly and
he gave up.
John Larkin <jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 16:58
No power in bathrooms? Where do you plug in your electric heater, hair
dryer, wide-screen TV, vacuum cleaner, circular saw, or oscilloscope?
Though seriously... A long long time ago, my father (Electrical Engineer,
power specialist, worked for the London Electricity Board as was) was called
to give expert opinion at an inquest.
It centered around the death of a man who had balanced an open bar electric
heater on the side of his well earthed bath (RCDs didn't much exist then).
The inevitable happened. Not sure why they needed an expert opinion but
there you go...
My wife likes to tell of the football jock in high school who took her
on a date and attempted to fondle her... she slapped him expertly and
he gave up.
So, did she break your arm? ;-)
Quote:
A few weeks later he took a bath with his toob radio perched on the
edge of the tub. The final zap-p-p-p-p
edge of the tub. The final zap-p-p-p-p
How did you manage that?
Quote:
Poetic justice, but she's still pissed (even though that was like 54
years ago)... the high school erected a plaque in his honor, because
he was a football player
years ago)... the high school erected a plaque in his honor, because
he was a football player
Buy her a plaque next to his.
Richard Henry
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Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:13 am
On Mar 10, 3:04 pm, Richard Henry <pomer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Is it legal to run flexible conduit outdoors?
My intent is to go from a breaker box on my deck into a tool shed I
built at one end of it to power one light. My intended route is along
the framework under the deck which is elevated about 2 feet off the
ground.
My intent is to go from a breaker box on my deck into a tool shed I
built at one end of it to power one light. My intended route is along
the framework under the deck which is elevated about 2 feet off the
ground.
Thanks to all this fine discussion I have decided to run PVC conduit
for the added circuits.
Jim Backus
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Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:42 pm
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:04:59 UTC, Richard Henry <pomerado_at_hotmail.com>
wrote:
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Is it legal to run flexible conduit outdoors?
It would have been helpful to know what country you were in.
Regulations are almost certainly differ from one country to another.
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Michael A. Terrell
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Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:59 am
"krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote:
Quote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Some are the size of a small bedroom.
Our master bath in this house is about the size of my son's room in our first
house. The shower is larger than the floor space in the bathroom in that
house and we have 2 more bathrooms (3.5 vs 1.5).
One of mine is about 12' * 12', the other is 7' * 14'
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Michael A. Terrell
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Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:02 am
Jim Backus wrote:
Quote:
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:04:59 UTC, Richard Henry <pomerado_at_hotmail.com
wrote:
Is it legal to run flexible conduit outdoors?
It would have been helpful to know what country you were in.
Regulations are almost certainly differ from one country to another.
It's helpful to know how to read headers so you can find out, too.
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Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'
JosephKK
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Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:47 am
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:28:59 -0500, "Martin Riddle" <martin_rid_at_verizon.net> wrote:
Quote:
"Richard Henry" <pomerado_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b35d6394-aa23-4489-9cb1-f9ce4b6d1d2e_at_z1g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
Is it legal to run flexible conduit outdoors?
My intent is to go from a breaker box on my deck into a tool shed I
built at one end of it to power one light. My intended route is along
the framework under the deck which is elevated about 2 feet off the
ground.
NEC 2008 says....
(FMC Flexible Metal Conduit)
348.12 Uses Not permitted. FMC shall not be used in the Following:
(1) Wet locations.
(2) in Hoistways, other than permitted in 620.21
(3) In storage battery rooms
(4) In any hazardous (classified) location except as permitted by other
articles in this code.
(5)Where exposed to materials having a deteriorating effect on the
installed conductors, such as oil or gasoline.
(6) Underground or embedded on poured concrete or aggregate.
(7) where subject to physical damage.
So no, not legal if used outdoors. Use PVC schedule 80 instead.
Cheers
See also the differences in usage rules between FMC and LFMC.
ehsjr
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Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:42 am
Tim Watts wrote:
Quote:
ehsjr <ehsjr_at_nospamverizon.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 05:36
Richard Henry wrote:
Is it legal to run flexible conduit outdoors?
My intent is to go from a breaker box on my deck into a tool shed I
built at one end of it to power one light. My intended route is along
the framework under the deck which is elevated about 2 feet off the
ground.
Some have assumed metallic conduit in their answers. Instead,
use liquidtight _nonmetallic_ flexible conduit, such as Carflex:
http://www.carlon.com/Brochures/7B1.pdf
Wonderful stuff, easy to work with and code compliant for you.
Ed
Just out of interest, don't you have anything like this in the USA:
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/SW2dot5slash2.html
It is what we would use and can be run anywhere - surface clipped, under
ground without piping, buried in the building structure.
The steel wire armouring is of course earthed hence the protection, both
electrical and mechanical.
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 05:36
Richard Henry wrote:
Is it legal to run flexible conduit outdoors?
My intent is to go from a breaker box on my deck into a tool shed I
built at one end of it to power one light. My intended route is along
the framework under the deck which is elevated about 2 feet off the
ground.
Some have assumed metallic conduit in their answers. Instead,
use liquidtight _nonmetallic_ flexible conduit, such as Carflex:
http://www.carlon.com/Brochures/7B1.pdf
Wonderful stuff, easy to work with and code compliant for you.
Ed
Just out of interest, don't you have anything like this in the USA:
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/SW2dot5slash2.html
It is what we would use and can be run anywhere - surface clipped, under
ground without piping, buried in the building structure.
The steel wire armouring is of course earthed hence the protection, both
electrical and mechanical.
I don't know for sure - but I doubt it, based on what I read at the url
you posted: "These cables are provided with mechanical protection are
therefore suitable for external use and direct burial."
Our type "AC" (Armored Cable) is not suitable for direct burial
per the NEC, and our type "UF" (Underground Feeder) cable is
suitable for direct burial per the NEC, but is not armored.
Ed
Jim Backus
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Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:42 pm
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:02:39 UTC, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:
Quote:
It would have been helpful to know what country you were in.
Regulations are almost certainly differ from one country to another.
It's helpful to know how to read headers so you can find out, too.
Header for OP:
Regulations are almost certainly differ from one country to another.
It's helpful to know how to read headers so you can find out, too.
Header for OP:
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Michael A. Terrell
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Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:11 pm
Jim Backus wrote:
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On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:02:39 UTC, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:
It would have been helpful to know what country you were in.
Regulations are almost certainly differ from one country to another.
It's helpful to know how to read headers so you can find out, too.
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From: Richard Henry <pomerado_at_hotmail.com
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Subject: Flexible conduit outdoors
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Perhaps you would be kind enough to point out which part of the header
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origin?
You're being absurd!
So, you think someone will forge their IP address to access Google
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