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Michael A. Terrell
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:28 pm

Tim Watts wrote:

Quote:

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 16:15

Tim Watts wrote:

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 15:44

Does your country have a NEC?

We have a similar set of regulations, BS7671 aka The IEE Wiring
Regulations, 17th Edition.

Although curiously, they are not statutory, meaning that an engineer
could ignore them, though adherence to them would prove a good defence in
court if anything when wrong.

Another weirdness is that apparantly, we can choose to wire to any of the
EU member states' regulations in order to satisfy Building Control,
though they whole electrical thing has rather confused them anyway.

I have heard of someone wiring to the German VDE100 regs (which allows
power sockets in bathrooms) and having it stamped by their building
inspector. Bit of a mess right now...

What's the big deal with that? GCFI outlets in US bathrooms are
common, and some larger bathrooms have reqular outlets for a vacuum
cleaner or space heater.

Not permitted here, unless you have a very large bathroom.

Some are the size of a small bedroom.

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

Michael A. Terrell
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:29 pm

John Larkin wrote:

Quote:

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:02:06 +0000, Tim Watts <tw_at_dionic.net> wrote:

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 15:44

Does your country have a NEC?

We have a similar set of regulations, BS7671 aka The IEE Wiring Regulations,
17th Edition.

Although curiously, they are not statutory, meaning that an engineer could
ignore them, though adherence to them would prove a good defence in court if
anything when wrong.

Another weirdness is that apparantly, we can choose to wire to any of the EU
member states' regulations in order to satisfy Building Control, though they
whole electrical thing has rather confused them anyway.

I have heard of someone wiring to the German VDE100 regs (which allows power
sockets in bathrooms) and having it stamped by their building inspector. Bit
of a mess right now...

No power in bathrooms? Where do you plug in your electric heater, hair
dryer, wide-screen TV, vacuum cleaner, circular saw, or oscilloscope?

Barbaric.

I have an Epson wide-carriage matrix printer in my downstairs
bathroom, right next to the toilet.

That way you can read fresh source code in your 'Library?' ;-)

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

Tim Watts
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:42 pm

John Larkin <jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com>
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 16:58

Quote:

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:02:06 +0000, Tim Watts <tw_at_dionic.net> wrote:

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 15:44

Does your country have a NEC?

We have a similar set of regulations, BS7671 aka The IEE Wiring
Regulations, 17th Edition.

Although curiously, they are not statutory, meaning that an engineer could
ignore them, though adherence to them would prove a good defence in court
if anything when wrong.

Another weirdness is that apparantly, we can choose to wire to any of the
EU member states' regulations in order to satisfy Building Control, though
they whole electrical thing has rather confused them anyway.

I have heard of someone wiring to the German VDE100 regs (which allows
power sockets in bathrooms) and having it stamped by their building
inspector. Bit of a mess right now...

No power in bathrooms? Where do you plug in your electric heater, hair
dryer, wide-screen TV, vacuum cleaner, circular saw, or oscilloscope?

;->

--
Tim Watts

Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer.

Michael A. Terrell
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:44 pm

Tim Watts wrote:

Quote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 16:58

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:02:06 +0000, Tim Watts <tw_at_dionic.net> wrote:

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 15:44

Does your country have a NEC?

We have a similar set of regulations, BS7671 aka The IEE Wiring
Regulations, 17th Edition.

Although curiously, they are not statutory, meaning that an engineer could
ignore them, though adherence to them would prove a good defence in court
if anything when wrong.

Another weirdness is that apparantly, we can choose to wire to any of the
EU member states' regulations in order to satisfy Building Control, though
they whole electrical thing has rather confused them anyway.

I have heard of someone wiring to the German VDE100 regs (which allows
power sockets in bathrooms) and having it stamped by their building
inspector. Bit of a mess right now...

No power in bathrooms? Where do you plug in your electric heater, hair
dryer, wide-screen TV, vacuum cleaner, circular saw, or oscilloscope?

;-

Or a server rack, in the closet.

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

Tim Watts
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:45 pm

John Larkin <jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com>
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 16:58

Quote:

No power in bathrooms? Where do you plug in your electric heater, hair
dryer, wide-screen TV, vacuum cleaner, circular saw, or oscilloscope?

Though seriously... A long long time ago, my father (Electrical Engineer,
power specialist, worked for the London Electricity Board as was) was called
to give expert opinion at an inquest.

It centered around the death of a man who had balanced an open bar electric
heater on the side of his well earthed bath (RCDs didn't much exist then).
The inevitable happened. Not sure why they needed an expert opinion but
there you go...

--
Tim Watts

Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer.

Tim Watts
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:46 pm

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net>
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 17:29

Quote:

That way you can read fresh source code in your 'Library?' ;-)

Dump your logs whilst dumping your logs?

OK, I'll get me coat...

--
Tim Watts

Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer.

Tim Watts
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:47 pm

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net>
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 17:44

Quote:

Or a server rack, in the closet.

Closet != bathroom, unless it contains a bath or shower.

So, yes, a rack in the bog is OK.

--
Tim Watts

Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer.

Michael A. Terrell
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:00 pm

Tim Watts wrote:

Quote:

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 17:29

That way you can read fresh source code in your 'Library?' ;-)

Dump your logs whilst dumping your logs?

OK, I'll get me coat...

Go stand in the corner, young man!

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

Michael A. Terrell
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:01 pm

Tim Watts wrote:

Quote:

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 17:44

Or a server rack, in the closet.

Closet != bathroom, unless it contains a bath or shower.

So, yes, a rack in the bog is OK.

No, I'm talking about a large linen closet in the master bathroom.
It's big enough to roll one of my enclosed relay racks into for my home
network.

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

D Yuniskis
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:02 pm

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Quote:

Tim Watts wrote:
Not permitted here, unless you have a very large bathroom.

Some are the size of a small bedroom.

<grin> When my other half visits one of her friends to
"paint together" (watercolor), they do so *in* her bathroom!

:)

Michael A. Terrell
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:02 pm

D Yuniskis wrote:

Quote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Tim Watts wrote:
Not permitted here, unless you have a very large bathroom.

Some are the size of a small bedroom.

grin> When my other half visits one of her friends to
"paint together" (watercolor), they do so *in* her bathroom!

Then you have to hose them down with a garden hose when they're done?
;-)

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

Jim Thompson
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:20 pm

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:28:22 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:

Tim Watts wrote:

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 16:15
[snip]

What's the big deal with that? GCFI outlets in US bathrooms are
common, and some larger bathrooms have reqular outlets for a vacuum
cleaner or space heater.

Not permitted here, unless you have a very large bathroom.

Some are the size of a small bedroom.

Our master bathroom is the size of a small apartment... and the closet
is the size of most secondary bedrooms Smile

Jim Thompson
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:27 pm

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:45:34 +0000, Tim Watts <tw_at_dionic.net> wrote:

Quote:

John Larkin <jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 16:58

No power in bathrooms? Where do you plug in your electric heater, hair
dryer, wide-screen TV, vacuum cleaner, circular saw, or oscilloscope?

Though seriously... A long long time ago, my father (Electrical Engineer,
power specialist, worked for the London Electricity Board as was) was called
to give expert opinion at an inquest.

It centered around the death of a man who had balanced an open bar electric
heater on the side of his well earthed bath (RCDs didn't much exist then).
The inevitable happened. Not sure why they needed an expert opinion but
there you go...

My wife likes to tell of the football jock in high school who took her
on a date and attempted to fondle her... she slapped him expertly and
he gave up.

A few weeks later he took a bath with his toob radio perched on the
edge of the tub. The final zap-p-p-p-p :-)

Poetic justice, but she's still pissed (even though that was like 54
years ago)... the high school erected a plaque in his honor, because
he was a football player Sad

Michael A. Terrell
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:06 pm

Jim Thompson wrote:

Quote:

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:28:22 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Tim Watts wrote:

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 16:15
[snip]

What's the big deal with that? GCFI outlets in US bathrooms are
common, and some larger bathrooms have reqular outlets for a vacuum
cleaner or space heater.

Not permitted here, unless you have a very large bathroom.

Some are the size of a small bedroom.

Our master bathroom is the size of a small apartment... and the closet
is the size of most secondary bedrooms Smile

My place is over 45 years old, so the size is quite large for a home
this old. OTOH, my four workshops are 30'*40', 18'*28', 12'*24' and
12'*12'. On top of that, I have several empty bedrooms and a large TV
room, plus a small library.

--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'

D Yuniskis
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:08 pm

Hi Michael,
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Quote:

D Yuniskis wrote:

grin> When my other half visits one of her friends to
"paint together" (watercolor), they do so *in* her bathroom!

Then you have to hose them down with a garden hose when they're done?
Wink

I think that would make the paint run! :-/ (I think watercolors
remain "soluble" indefinitely?)

I simply can't imagine how they can get all those drawing tables
in there and room for chairs, etc. <shrug> Always seemed a waste,
to me, to have "finished space" in a home. More to keep clean,
decorate, pay taxes on, insure, etc.

I'd much rather a thousand square feet of *basement* that
doesn't raise taxes, doesn't require "dusting", furnishing,
etc. I wonder if they make "basement only" houses? (not just
below-grade)

Or, as my Chicago friends did: 2500 sq ft for an indoor
swimming pool (odd sensation to be swimming in a heated
pool while the snow is falling outside) -- though I wonder
what the insurance and taxes were on *that*! :-/ <shudder>
(at least you don't have to *dust* it!! :> )

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