Flexible conduit outdoors

Tim Watts
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:31 am

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net>
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 08:57

Quote:

Tim Watts wrote:

Richard Henry <pomerado_at_hotmail.com
wibbled on Wednesday 10 March 2010 23:04

Is it legal to run flexible conduit outdoors?

My intent is to go from a breaker box on my deck into a tool shed I
built at one end of it to power one light. My intended route is along
the framework under the deck which is elevated about 2 feet off the
ground.

Which country?

IP address: 71.137.0.47
Reverse DNS: adsl-71-137-0-47.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net.
Reverse DNS authenticity: [Verified]
ASN: 7132
ASN Name: SBIS-AS
IP range connectivity: 6
Registrar (per ASN): ARIN
Country (per IP registrar): US [United States]
Country Currency: USD [United States Dollars]
Country IP Range: 71.128.0.0 to 71.255.255.255
Country fraud profile: Normal
City (per outside source): San Diego, California
Country (per outside source): US [United States]
Private (internal) IP? No
IP address registrar: whois.arin.net
Known Proxy? No
Link for WHOIS: 71.137.0.47

It would be helpful of him to say rather than expect people
to guess :)

We're not all in the US!

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Michael A. Terrell
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:44 pm

Tim Watts wrote:

Quote:

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 08:57

Tim Watts wrote:

Richard Henry <pomerado_at_hotmail.com
wibbled on Wednesday 10 March 2010 23:04

Is it legal to run flexible conduit outdoors?

My intent is to go from a breaker box on my deck into a tool shed I
built at one end of it to power one light. My intended route is along
the framework under the deck which is elevated about 2 feet off the
ground.

Which country?

IP address: 71.137.0.47
Reverse DNS: adsl-71-137-0-47.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net.
Reverse DNS authenticity: [Verified]
ASN: 7132
ASN Name: SBIS-AS
IP range connectivity: 6
Registrar (per ASN): ARIN
Country (per IP registrar): US [United States]
Country Currency: USD [United States Dollars]
Country IP Range: 71.128.0.0 to 71.255.255.255
Country fraud profile: Normal
City (per outside source): San Diego, California
Country (per outside source): US [United States]
Private (internal) IP? No
IP address registrar: whois.arin.net
Known Proxy? No
Link for WHOIS: 71.137.0.47

It would be helpful of him to say rather than expect people
to guess :)

We're not all in the US!

Does your country have a NEC?

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Paul Hovnanian P.E.
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:47 pm

Tim Watts wrote:

Quote:

Richard Henry <pomerado_at_hotmail.com
wibbled on Wednesday 10 March 2010 23:04

Is it legal to run flexible conduit outdoors?

My intent is to go from a breaker box on my deck into a tool shed I
built at one end of it to power one light. My intended route is along
the framework under the deck which is elevated about 2 feet off the
ground.

Which country?

We figured it wasn't something in the third world. Or Richard would have
asked how to tap into his neighbor's panel. ;-)

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Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:49 pm

Tim Watts wrote:

Quote:

[snip]

We're not all in the US!

Patience. We'll get to you eventually.

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Tim Watts
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:02 pm

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net>
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 15:44

Quote:

Does your country have a NEC?

We have a similar set of regulations, BS7671 aka The IEE Wiring Regulations,
17th Edition.

Although curiously, they are not statutory, meaning that an engineer could
ignore them, though adherence to them would prove a good defence in court if
anything when wrong.

Another weirdness is that apparantly, we can choose to wire to any of the EU
member states' regulations in order to satisfy Building Control, though they
whole electrical thing has rather confused them anyway.

I have heard of someone wiring to the German VDE100 regs (which allows power
sockets in bathrooms) and having it stamped by their building inspector. Bit
of a mess right now...

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Tim Watts

Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer.

Jim Thompson
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:11 pm

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:02:06 +0000, Tim Watts <tw_at_dionic.net> wrote:

Quote:

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 15:44

Does your country have a NEC?

We have a similar set of regulations, BS7671 aka The IEE Wiring Regulations,
17th Edition.

Although curiously, they are not statutory, meaning that an engineer could
ignore them, though adherence to them would prove a good defence in court if
anything when wrong.

Another weirdness is that apparantly, we can choose to wire to any of the EU
member states' regulations in order to satisfy Building Control, though they
whole electrical thing has rather confused them anyway.

I have heard of someone wiring to the German VDE100 regs (which allows power
sockets in bathrooms) and having it stamped by their building inspector. Bit
of a mess right now...

Michael A. Terrell
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:15 pm

Tim Watts wrote:

Quote:

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 15:44

Does your country have a NEC?

We have a similar set of regulations, BS7671 aka The IEE Wiring Regulations,
17th Edition.

Although curiously, they are not statutory, meaning that an engineer could
ignore them, though adherence to them would prove a good defence in court if
anything when wrong.

Another weirdness is that apparantly, we can choose to wire to any of the EU
member states' regulations in order to satisfy Building Control, though they
whole electrical thing has rather confused them anyway.

I have heard of someone wiring to the German VDE100 regs (which allows power
sockets in bathrooms) and having it stamped by their building inspector. Bit
of a mess right now...

What's the big deal with that? GCFI outlets in US bathrooms are
common, and some larger bathrooms have reqular outlets for a vacuum
cleaner or space heater.

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D Yuniskis
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:34 pm

Jim Thompson wrote:

Quote:

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:02:06 +0000, Tim Watts <tw_at_dionic.net> wrote:

I have heard of someone wiring to the German VDE100 regs (which allows power
sockets in bathrooms) and having it stamped by their building inspector. Bit
of a mess right now...

We (the US) can have outlets in bathrooms, but they must be GCFI
protected.

Only on new works. The fallacy with all these regs is everything
is always grandfathered in. :-/

Richard Henry
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:38 pm

On Mar 11, 12:47 am, Tim Watts <t...@dionic.net> wrote:

Quote:

Richard Henry <pomer...@hotmail.com
wibbled on Wednesday 10 March 2010 23:04

Is it legal to run flexible conduit outdoors?

My intent is to go from a breaker box on my deck into a tool shed I
built at one end of it to power one light. My intended route is along
the framework under the deck which is elevated about 2 feet off the
ground.

Which country?

--
Tim Watts

Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer.

California USA

Jim Thompson
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:46 pm

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:15:37 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:

Tim Watts wrote:

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 15:44

Does your country have a NEC?

We have a similar set of regulations, BS7671 aka The IEE Wiring Regulations,
17th Edition.

Although curiously, they are not statutory, meaning that an engineer could
ignore them, though adherence to them would prove a good defence in court if
anything when wrong.

Another weirdness is that apparantly, we can choose to wire to any of the EU
member states' regulations in order to satisfy Building Control, though they
whole electrical thing has rather confused them anyway.

I have heard of someone wiring to the German VDE100 regs (which allows power
sockets in bathrooms) and having it stamped by their building inspector. Bit
of a mess right now...

What's the big deal with that? GCFI outlets in US bathrooms are
common, and some larger bathrooms have reqular outlets for a vacuum
cleaner or space heater.

Some bigger bathrooms have an 1-1/2" "outlet" that you plug a vacuum
hose into Smile

Tim Watts
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:48 pm

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_My-Web-Site.com>
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 16:11

Quote:

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:02:06 +0000, Tim Watts <tw_at_dionic.net> wrote:

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 15:44

Does your country have a NEC?

We have a similar set of regulations, BS7671 aka The IEE Wiring
Regulations, 17th Edition.

Although curiously, they are not statutory, meaning that an engineer could
ignore them, though adherence to them would prove a good defence in court
if anything when wrong.

Another weirdness is that apparantly, we can choose to wire to any of the
EU member states' regulations in order to satisfy Building Control, though
they whole electrical thing has rather confused them anyway.

I have heard of someone wiring to the German VDE100 regs (which allows
power sockets in bathrooms) and having it stamped by their building
inspector. Bit of a mess right now...

We (the US) can have outlets in bathrooms, but they must be GCFI
protected.

...Jim Thompson

There seem to be many subtle differences... We cannot - the only exceptions
being we can have a transformer isolated shaver socket (no earth reference)
or a regular socket > 3m from the bath/shower - but as most people don't
have bathrooms that big, it's mostly moot.

The Germans however do allow a socket in a bathroom, under similar
conditions to yours.

As of the 17th Edition regs, all our sockets *must* be RCD protected, and
through other regulations, in practice all wiring circuits must also be RCD
protected now.

For that reason, my new panel is full of RCBOs rather than the older 1 or 2
RCDs feeding split bundle of MCBs.

That's why it is a good idea for posters asking electrical questions to
clarify where they are :)

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Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer.

Tim Watts
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:48 pm

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net>
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 16:15

Quote:

Tim Watts wrote:

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 15:44

Does your country have a NEC?

We have a similar set of regulations, BS7671 aka The IEE Wiring
Regulations, 17th Edition.

Although curiously, they are not statutory, meaning that an engineer
could ignore them, though adherence to them would prove a good defence in
court if anything when wrong.

Another weirdness is that apparantly, we can choose to wire to any of the
EU member states' regulations in order to satisfy Building Control,
though they whole electrical thing has rather confused them anyway.

I have heard of someone wiring to the German VDE100 regs (which allows
power sockets in bathrooms) and having it stamped by their building
inspector. Bit of a mess right now...

What's the big deal with that? GCFI outlets in US bathrooms are
common, and some larger bathrooms have reqular outlets for a vacuum
cleaner or space heater.

Not permitted here, unless you have a very large bathroom.

--
Tim Watts

Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer.

John Larkin
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:58 pm

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:02:06 +0000, Tim Watts <tw_at_dionic.net> wrote:

Quote:

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 15:44

Does your country have a NEC?

We have a similar set of regulations, BS7671 aka The IEE Wiring Regulations,
17th Edition.

Although curiously, they are not statutory, meaning that an engineer could
ignore them, though adherence to them would prove a good defence in court if
anything when wrong.

Another weirdness is that apparantly, we can choose to wire to any of the EU
member states' regulations in order to satisfy Building Control, though they
whole electrical thing has rather confused them anyway.

I have heard of someone wiring to the German VDE100 regs (which allows power
sockets in bathrooms) and having it stamped by their building inspector. Bit
of a mess right now...

No power in bathrooms? Where do you plug in your electric heater, hair
dryer, wide-screen TV, vacuum cleaner, circular saw, or oscilloscope?

Barbaric.

I have an Epson wide-carriage matrix printer in my downstairs
bathroom, right next to the toilet.

John

D Yuniskis
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:18 pm

Hi John,

John Larkin wrote:

Quote:

I have an Epson wide-carriage matrix printer in my downstairs
bathroom, right next to the toilet.

Great for dispensing extra wide toilet paper!?
(with custom floral designs!)

The Brits are just *so* behind the times...

;-)

Michael A. Terrell
Guest

Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:27 pm

Jim Thompson wrote:

Quote:

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:15:37 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Tim Watts wrote:

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net
wibbled on Thursday 11 March 2010 15:44

Does your country have a NEC?

We have a similar set of regulations, BS7671 aka The IEE Wiring Regulations,
17th Edition.

Although curiously, they are not statutory, meaning that an engineer could
ignore them, though adherence to them would prove a good defence in court if
anything when wrong.

Another weirdness is that apparantly, we can choose to wire to any of the EU
member states' regulations in order to satisfy Building Control, though they
whole electrical thing has rather confused them anyway.

I have heard of someone wiring to the German VDE100 regs (which allows power
sockets in bathrooms) and having it stamped by their building inspector. Bit
of a mess right now...

What's the big deal with that? GCFI outlets in US bathrooms are
common, and some larger bathrooms have reqular outlets for a vacuum
cleaner or space heater.

Some bigger bathrooms have an 1-1/2" "outlet" that you plug a vacuum
hose into Smile

Yes but some just provide the AC outlet, so you can choose your
'Weapons of Dirt Desruction'. ;-)

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