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amdx
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Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:45 am   



On 1/31/2019 3:14 PM, bitrex wrote:
Quote:
On 01/31/2019 03:14 PM, amdx wrote:

Clearly your form of speech is hating on the rich.
  It's hard to get too miffed about the quite wealthy having to pay
  high rates for their toys or fight for legislation to protect 'em.
. Dawww poor kiddos.
  Now, I'll agree that you might not actually hate the rich, but your
comment certainly is not complimentary to rich people.

So what it's not my job in life. It can be yours if you want compliment
'em all day if you like. A homeless man complimented me on my car's rims
one time which was very nice of him.

Conservatives seem to spend most of their time sucking up and shitting
down so I can see how not being habitually complimentary might be
mis-interpreted as "hate."

I know a number of "quite wealthy" people and you don't talk like one
of 'em.

  I still want to know what you think is quite wealthy.
If you answer, I'll tell you why I ask.

If you care about what gas or car charger prices are exactly you're not it.

No, I don't talk like Thurston Howell the 3rd, but apparently I have
an accent, I'm in N. Florida and it's surprising how many people have
guessed correctly that I'm from Michigan from my voice. I'm always
quick to tell them they have the accent!

                                   Mikek


I don't mean your speaking voice I mean the words you type.


Obviously!
But what does talking* like you are quite wealthy sound** like.

I suspect we have some quite wealthy people on this group,
butstill you, need to define "quite wealthy".
I might think you are quite wealthy, you bought a $26,000 car,
I have never paid over $11,000 for a car, paid $8,000 for another
and then never over $6,000. I put the rest in VTSAX.
But, I'm frugal like that.

Mikek

*talking, as in typing
** sound, as in read like

Alan Folmsbee
Guest

Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:45 am   



On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 12:53:45 PM UTC-10, edward....@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
We are writing a proposal for a local government trying to
facilitate fair pricing of charging, probably with a
ChargePoint fast charger. ChargePoint allows them to set
pricing. By the way, Evgo charge $0.15/min (member) and
$0.20/min (non-member). Some charge as much as $0.39/min.
That's legal highway robbery.

Evgo's pricing structure is unfair to older vehicles. Especially
for older vehicles like (around 300,000) Leaf, cost equivalence
is close to $9/gal gasoline when charging around 70% to 90%
State Of Charge (SOC).

Even for reduced membership cost of 15 cents per minute:

SOC Amp KwHr MPH CPM (Cents Per Mile)
90 20 8 24 37 $9.03 gasoline
80 25 10 30 30
70 30 12 36 25 $6.05 gasoline
60 40 16 48 19
50 50 20 60 15 $3.75 gasoline
40 70 28 84 11 Tesla Supercharger
10 San Francisco Electricity
30 90 36 98 8 $2.00 gasoline
5 San Mateo Solar Electricity
4 Nevada Electricity
3 Arizona Electricity

We propose a charging fee of 5 cents per minute and 15 cents per
KiloWattHours. This will bring the cost equivalence close to $2/gal
to $3/gal.

SOC Amp KWH MPH $/gal
90 20 8 24 $3.00
80 25 10 30 $3.00
70 30 12 36 $2.00
60 40 16 48 $2.00
50 50 20 60 $2.00
40 70 28 84 $3.00
30 90 36 98 $4.00

What do you think?


Hello Edward,

Gasoline has 122 Megajoules per gallon as a chemical.

A Kilowatt hour is 3.6 Megajoules

Therefore, using an electricity cost of $0.15 per kilowatt hour,
a gallon equivalent is $5.10 in the mainland and in Hawaii
it is $15 per gallon. Hawaii has $0.44 per kilowatt hour
electricity cost.

Hawaii summary

Gas is $4.10 per gallon
Electric is $15.00 per gallon equivalent for electricity.

Lasse Langwadt Christense
Guest

Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:45 am   



fredag den 1. februar 2019 kl. 00.17.13 UTC+1 skrev Alan Folmsbee:
Quote:
On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 12:53:45 PM UTC-10, edward....@gmail.com wrote:
We are writing a proposal for a local government trying to
facilitate fair pricing of charging, probably with a
ChargePoint fast charger. ChargePoint allows them to set
pricing. By the way, Evgo charge $0.15/min (member) and
$0.20/min (non-member). Some charge as much as $0.39/min.
That's legal highway robbery.

Evgo's pricing structure is unfair to older vehicles. Especially
for older vehicles like (around 300,000) Leaf, cost equivalence
is close to $9/gal gasoline when charging around 70% to 90%
State Of Charge (SOC).

Even for reduced membership cost of 15 cents per minute:

SOC Amp KwHr MPH CPM (Cents Per Mile)
90 20 8 24 37 $9.03 gasoline
80 25 10 30 30
70 30 12 36 25 $6.05 gasoline
60 40 16 48 19
50 50 20 60 15 $3.75 gasoline
40 70 28 84 11 Tesla Supercharger
10 San Francisco Electricity
30 90 36 98 8 $2.00 gasoline
5 San Mateo Solar Electricity
4 Nevada Electricity
3 Arizona Electricity

We propose a charging fee of 5 cents per minute and 15 cents per
KiloWattHours. This will bring the cost equivalence close to $2/gal
to $3/gal.

SOC Amp KWH MPH $/gal
90 20 8 24 $3.00
80 25 10 30 $3.00
70 30 12 36 $2.00
60 40 16 48 $2.00
50 50 20 60 $2.00
40 70 28 84 $3.00
30 90 36 98 $4.00

What do you think?

Hello Edward,

Gasoline has 122 Megajoules per gallon as a chemical.

A Kilowatt hour is 3.6 Megajoules

Therefore, using an electricity cost of $0.15 per kilowatt hour,
a gallon equivalent is $5.10 in the mainland and in Hawaii
it is $15 per gallon. Hawaii has $0.44 per kilowatt hour
electricity cost.

Hawaii summary

Gas is $4.10 per gallon
Electric is $15.00 per gallon equivalent for electricity.


and you'd be lucky to get 1/3 of the energy in gasoline to do
actual work in a car, electricity more like 90%, so it is about the same

bitrex
Guest

Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:45 am   



On 01/31/2019 06:08 PM, amdx wrote:
Quote:
On 1/31/2019 3:14 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 01/31/2019 03:14 PM, amdx wrote:

Clearly your form of speech is hating on the rich.
  It's hard to get too miffed about the quite wealthy having to pay
  high rates for their toys or fight for legislation to protect 'em.
. Dawww poor kiddos.
  Now, I'll agree that you might not actually hate the rich, but your
comment certainly is not complimentary to rich people.

So what it's not my job in life. It can be yours if you want
compliment 'em all day if you like. A homeless man complimented me on
my car's rims one time which was very nice of him.

Conservatives seem to spend most of their time sucking up and shitting
down so I can see how not being habitually complimentary might be
mis-interpreted as "hate."

I know a number of "quite wealthy" people and you don't talk like
one of 'em.

  I still want to know what you think is quite wealthy.
If you answer, I'll tell you why I ask.

If you care about what gas or car charger prices are exactly you're
not it.

No, I don't talk like Thurston Howell the 3rd, but apparently I have
an accent, I'm in N. Florida and it's surprising how many people have
guessed correctly that I'm from Michigan from my voice. I'm always
quick to tell them they have the accent!

                                   Mikek


I don't mean your speaking voice I mean the words you type.

 Obviously!
But what does talking* like you are quite wealthy sound** like.

I suspect we have some quite wealthy people on this group,
butstill you, need to define "quite wealthy".
I might think you are quite wealthy, you bought a $26,000 car,
 I have never paid over $11,000 for a car, paid $8,000 for another
and then never over $6,000. I put the rest in VTSAX.
But, I'm frugal like that.

                           Mikek

*talking, as in typing
** sound, as in read like


Nah I lease that one (EVs are one of the few vehicle types it can make
sense to lease.) Most cars are just depreciating rust on wheels,
money-pits not much different than boats.

Ideally I wouldn't need to daily drive anything at all and just keep one
somewhat impractical vehicle I maintain myself and drive occasionally
for amusement but I wouldn't want to drive my elderly mother around in it.


Guest

Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:45 am   



On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 3:17:13 PM UTC-8, Alan Folmsbee wrote:
Quote:
On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 12:53:45 PM UTC-10, edward....@gmail.com wrote:
We are writing a proposal for a local government trying to
facilitate fair pricing of charging, probably with a
ChargePoint fast charger. ChargePoint allows them to set
pricing. By the way, Evgo charge $0.15/min (member) and
$0.20/min (non-member). Some charge as much as $0.39/min.
That's legal highway robbery.

Evgo's pricing structure is unfair to older vehicles. Especially
for older vehicles like (around 300,000) Leaf, cost equivalence
is close to $9/gal gasoline when charging around 70% to 90%
State Of Charge (SOC).

Even for reduced membership cost of 15 cents per minute:

SOC Amp KwHr MPH CPM (Cents Per Mile)
90 20 8 24 37 $9.03 gasoline
80 25 10 30 30
70 30 12 36 25 $6.05 gasoline
60 40 16 48 19
50 50 20 60 15 $3.75 gasoline
40 70 28 84 11 Tesla Supercharger
10 San Francisco Electricity
30 90 36 98 8 $2.00 gasoline
5 San Mateo Solar Electricity
4 Nevada Electricity
3 Arizona Electricity

We propose a charging fee of 5 cents per minute and 15 cents per
KiloWattHours. This will bring the cost equivalence close to $2/gal
to $3/gal.

SOC Amp KWH MPH $/gal
90 20 8 24 $3.00
80 25 10 30 $3.00
70 30 12 36 $2.00
60 40 16 48 $2.00
50 50 20 60 $2.00
40 70 28 84 $3.00
30 90 36 98 $4.00

What do you think?

Hello Edward,

Gasoline has 122 Megajoules per gallon as a chemical.

A Kilowatt hour is 3.6 Megajoules

Therefore, using an electricity cost of $0.15 per kilowatt hour,
a gallon equivalent is $5.10 in the mainland and in Hawaii
it is $15 per gallon. Hawaii has $0.44 per kilowatt hour
electricity cost.

Hawaii summary

Gas is $4.10 per gallon
Electric is $15.00 per gallon equivalent for electricity.


But only 1/4 to 1/5 of gasoline energy goes into motion. So, electric equivalent should be around $1.2 at $0.15 and $3 at $0.44.

John Larkin
Guest

Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:45 am   



On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 16:44:24 -0500, bitrex <user_at_example.net> wrote:

Quote:
On 01/31/2019 04:22 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 16:14:18 -0500, bitrex <user_at_example.net> wrote:

On 01/31/2019 03:14 PM, amdx wrote:

Clearly your form of speech is hating on the rich.
It's hard to get too miffed about the quite wealthy having to pay
high rates for their toys or fight for legislation to protect 'em.
. Dawww poor kiddos.
Now, I'll agree that you might not actually hate the rich, but your
comment certainly is not complimentary to rich people.

So what it's not my job in life. It can be yours if you want compliment
'em all day if you like. A homeless man complimented me on my car's rims
one time which was very nice of him.

Conservatives seem to spend most of their time sucking up and shitting
down so I can see how not being habitually complimentary might be
mis-interpreted as "hate."

I know a number of "quite wealthy" people and you don't talk like one
of 'em.

I still want to know what you think is quite wealthy.
If you answer, I'll tell you why I ask.

If you care about what gas or car charger prices are exactly you're not it.

Gas is for most people a small part of the cost of owning a car.

The average american pays about $9K a year to own a car. Maybe 15% of
that will be for gas.



Sounds mad, no wonder average American isn't rich.

Prior to daily driving a plug-in hybrid I was paying about $200/month
for gas, now I pay close to $0 for charge and maybe $20 for fuel on a
bad month (like January) and put the fuel money into a lease. The $2500
MA state incentive check covered the down payment and first two years
excise tax handily. $45/month insurance.

Other than that my only significant ownership costs over two years have
been one oil change, one new set of tires (how do they make sure stock
tires wear out so quickly?), and a replacement cabin air filter


Did you get the car free? Don't have insurance? Never pay to park?


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com


Guest

Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:45 am   



On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 6:17:13 PM UTC-5, Alan Folmsbee wrote:
Quote:

Hello Edward,

Gasoline has 122 Megajoules per gallon as a chemical.

A Kilowatt hour is 3.6 Megajoules

Therefore, using an electricity cost of $0.15 per kilowatt hour,
a gallon equivalent is $5.10 in the mainland and in Hawaii
it is $15 per gallon. Hawaii has $0.44 per kilowatt hour
electricity cost.

Hawaii summary

Gas is $4.10 per gallon
Electric is $15.00 per gallon equivalent for electricity.


What does any of this have to do with the issue? No one cares how many joules are in a gallon of gasoline. The issue is how far can you go on it. My car goes around 3 miles on a kilowatt, so about 30 miles per dollar. Other cars get around 30 mpg so 15 miles per dollar. I don't expect gas to remain at $2 a gal unless the lowering of demand from EV usage keeps the price low.

Even in Hawaii an EV will get over 2 miles to the dollar and the car about 2 miles to the dollar.

Did you have a point?


Rick C.

---- Get 6 months of free supercharging
---- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

bitrex
Guest

Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:45 am   



On 01/31/2019 07:24 PM, John Larkin wrote:

Quote:
Sounds mad, no wonder average American isn't rich.

Prior to daily driving a plug-in hybrid I was paying about $200/month
for gas, now I pay close to $0 for charge and maybe $20 for fuel on a
bad month (like January) and put the fuel money into a lease. The $2500
MA state incentive check covered the down payment and first two years
excise tax handily. $45/month insurance.

Other than that my only significant ownership costs over two years have
been one oil change, one new set of tires (how do they make sure stock
tires wear out so quickly?), and a replacement cabin air filter

Did you get the car free? Don't have insurance? Never pay to park?



It's mostly outlined above! Okay you got me I do pay to park sometimes
probably another $30 a month. You only really encounter SF-like parking
costs in the heart of downtown Boston, Back Bay etc. and what would I be
going there for tis a silly place.

9 grand, gosh but probably what financing something like a up-trim
Silverado or F-150 and fueling it to drive ??? miles a month costs I suppose

amdx
Guest

Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:45 am   



On 1/30/2019 7:07 PM, edward.ming.lee_at_gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 5:02:28 PM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
On 01/30/2019 07:57 PM, George Herold wrote:
On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 5:53:45 PM UTC-5, edward....@gmail.com wrote:
We are writing a proposal for a local government trying to
facilitate fair pricing of charging, probably with a
ChargePoint fast charger. ChargePoint allows them to set
pricing. By the way, Evgo charge $0.15/min (member) and
$0.20/min (non-member). Some charge as much as $0.39/min.
That's legal highway robbery.

Evgo's pricing structure is unfair to older vehicles. Especially
for older vehicles like (around 300,000) Leaf, cost equivalence
is close to $9/gal gasoline when charging around 70% to 90%
State Of Charge (SOC).

Even for reduced membership cost of 15 cents per minute:

SOC Amp KwHr MPH CPM (Cents Per Mile)
90 20 8 24 37 $9.03 gasoline
80 25 10 30 30
70 30 12 36 25 $6.05 gasoline
60 40 16 48 19
50 50 20 60 15 $3.75 gasoline
40 70 28 84 11 Tesla Supercharger
10 San Francisco Electricity
30 90 36 98 8 $2.00 gasoline
5 San Mateo Solar Electricity
4 Nevada Electricity
3 Arizona Electricity

We propose a charging fee of 5 cents per minute and 15 cents per
KiloWattHours. This will bring the cost equivalence close to $2/gal
to $3/gal.

SOC Amp KWH MPH $/gal
90 20 8 24 $3.00
80 25 10 30 $3.00
70 30 12 36 $2.00
60 40 16 48 $2.00
50 50 20 60 $2.00
40 70 28 84 $3.00
30 90 36 98 $4.00

What do you think?

Maybe the price is determined mostly by the cost of putting in a charger
and not the cost of the electricity.

George H.


It sounds like this is in San Francisco area, the price is determined by
the fact they figure everyone using an EV charger there is loaded anyway
and nobody really cares what car charging costs exactly

It's in central valley area, just using SF and SM as reference cost. "loaded" is a relative term.

Yes, I wonder if being loaded means you have more than "quite wealthy"
or less than "quite wealthy"?
Mikek

amdx
Guest

Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:45 am   



On 1/31/2019 8:38 AM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Quote:
bitrex wrote:
On 01/31/2019 02:48 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 01/31/2019 02:23 AM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
bitrex wrote:

Americans don't pay the true costs of driving, that's why gas
prices are so low as compared to Europe and the infrastructure is
falling apart. When all the roads are privately-owned toll roads
then the market will be free and we can make apples-to-apples
comparisons

Is the "true" cost like "true" Communism?


It's not my impression that most Americans are opposed to socialism,
National Socialism was a kind of socialism too


The "joke" here is that America is likely destined for some form of
fascism, whether it will be of a left or right-wing variety who can
say but that's mostly window-dressing.

The younger they are the more likely they are to embrace socialism and
vote for Bernie.


I'm doing my best to tell college students, that they will be the high
earners in society, they will be part of the 50% that actually pay
taxes. The more programs they vote for now, will just take more of their
paycheck when they start earning.
None of the free programs are free, YOU the college educated will
being paying for them.

Mikek

amdx
Guest

Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:45 am   



On 1/31/2019 9:50 AM, bitrex wrote:
Quote:
On 01/31/2019 09:38 AM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
bitrex wrote:
On 01/31/2019 02:48 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 01/31/2019 02:23 AM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
bitrex wrote:

Americans don't pay the true costs of driving, that's why gas
prices are so low as compared to Europe and the infrastructure is
falling apart. When all the roads are privately-owned toll roads
then the market will be free and we can make apples-to-apples
comparisons

Is the "true" cost like "true" Communism?


It's not my impression that most Americans are opposed to socialism,
National Socialism was a kind of socialism too


The "joke" here is that America is likely destined for some form of
fascism, whether it will be of a left or right-wing variety who can
say but that's mostly window-dressing.

The younger they are the more likely they are to embrace socialism and
vote for Bernie.

Yes it is window dressing.  Nazis complicated it by adding racism which
is really independent of and not related to their economics.  FDR was
very close to Hitler on economics; both created work programs and banned
private ownership of gold because they thought it was one cause of the
depression.  (The FDR memorial was funded in part by the sale of gold
commemorative coins which shows how valid that theory is.)

So you want to use Gosplan methods to set prices because you *don't*
want to move toward socialism.  That's clever.

I mean if you go back and read my original comment in the thread I think
legislation to manage charging port costs is unnecessary the market can
probably figure this one out just fine. It's not a monopoly situation
there are always other options, including what I did which was buy a car
that's half-and-half.

That particular company seems to have made a business decision to
implicitly shut people with slower-charging, older vehicles out, IMO
basically because it's San Francisco and catering to the wealthy makes
sense there. Okay that sucks but most people have power lines coming
into their house and EVGo doesn't run the utility company, the utility
company will be glad to sell you whatever power you can get into your
car via whatever legal means you do it.

I think if they try that model everywhere or stick with it too long
they'll go out of business. I see the EVGo branded chargers around here
that seem to be running the same kind of rates nobody uses them so very
hard to see how they're turning a profit on that investment. The more
subsidy-friendly MA state or local governments may have given them an
initial kickback to install 'em but the taxpayers are not generous
forever even here.


Didn't read enough to know what else the company does, but the stock
price tripled since Jan 2017. NRG


Guest

Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:45 am   



On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 12:00:10 PM UTC+11, amdx wrote:
Quote:
On 1/31/2019 8:38 AM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
bitrex wrote:
On 01/31/2019 02:48 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 01/31/2019 02:23 AM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
bitrex wrote:

Americans don't pay the true costs of driving, that's why gas
prices are so low as compared to Europe and the infrastructure is
falling apart. When all the roads are privately-owned toll roads
then the market will be free and we can make apples-to-apples
comparisons

Is the "true" cost like "true" Communism?


It's not my impression that most Americans are opposed to socialism,
National Socialism was a kind of socialism too


The "joke" here is that America is likely destined for some form of
fascism, whether it will be of a left or right-wing variety who can
say but that's mostly window-dressing.

The younger they are the more likely they are to embrace socialism and
vote for Bernie.

I'm doing my best to tell college students, that they will be the high
earners in society, they will be part of the 50% that actually pay
taxes. The more programs they vote for now, will just take more of their
paycheck when they start earning.
None of the free programs are free, YOU the college educated will
being paying for them.


The US is overdue for the kind of tax reform which will extract enough from the top 1% of the income distribution to reduce the tax load on the the rest of the population that actually pays taxes.

Properly constructed "free" programs pay off in ways that aren't immediately financially obvious.

The US is at position 19 of the CIA's league table of national average incomes per head

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html

Most of the leading countries are too small to take seriously, but Ireland (10th), Norway (11th) and Switzerland (18th). The Netherlands - at 23rd - appears to lag, but it's got universal health care so their $53,600 per head probably leaves them better off than the US $59,500 per head.

The Dutch education system is a whole lot more equal opportunity that it's US equivalent, and the Dutch have appreciably more intergenerational social mobility that the US (as do pretty much all northern European countries - the UK lags the rest, but not as much as the US does).

http://www.verisi.com/resources/prosperity-upward-mobility.htm

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Winfield Hill
Guest

Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:45 am   



Alan Folmsbee wrote...
Quote:

Gasoline has 122 Megajoules per gallon as a chemical.
A Kilowatt hour is 3.6 Megajoules .. Therefore, using
an electricity cost of $0.15 per kilowatt hour,


Your numbers are dead wrong, way off. Actual measurement
with my Prius Prime plug-in shows that gas at $2.25 / gal
is about equivalent to electricity at $0.25 / kWh, with
identical miles traveled. Electricity wins on cost, but
not by much at today's prices. It wins bigger on CO2.

But oops, when I run the heater on really cold days, the
electric / gas equivalency goes out the window, and it's
hard say who is winning. I would imagine gas, but the
numbers seem not to show that. Either way, I put on my
coat and hope to get to work or home, without running
the heater, or just running it for a few minutes. Brrr!

So far I've gone 4.5 months and 2500 miles, with only one
gas fillup and about 1/3 of a tank still available. Yes,
it's a bit dumb to make a big deal over a few $$ worth of
gas, but I love the quiet powerful electric motors, and
it easily becomes an obsession to keep the gas engine off.


--
Thanks,
- Win


Guest

Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:45 am   



On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 9:37:28 PM UTC-5, Winfield Hill wrote:
Quote:
Alan Folmsbee wrote...

Gasoline has 122 Megajoules per gallon as a chemical.
A Kilowatt hour is 3.6 Megajoules .. Therefore, using
an electricity cost of $0.15 per kilowatt hour,

Your numbers are dead wrong, way off. Actual measurement
with my Prius Prime plug-in shows that gas at $2.25 / gal
is about equivalent to electricity at $0.25 / kWh, with
identical miles traveled. Electricity wins on cost, but
not by much at today's prices. It wins bigger on CO2.

But oops, when I run the heater on really cold days, the
electric / gas equivalency goes out the window, and it's
hard say who is winning. I would imagine gas, but the
numbers seem not to show that. Either way, I put on my
coat and hope to get to work or home, without running
the heater, or just running it for a few minutes. Brrr!

So far I've gone 4.5 months and 2500 miles, with only one
gas fillup and about 1/3 of a tank still available. Yes,
it's a bit dumb to make a big deal over a few $$ worth of
gas, but I love the quiet powerful electric motors, and
it easily becomes an obsession to keep the gas engine off.


Wow! $0.25 a kWh is pretty pricey. I'm getting my juice at about a third of that. But then I use enough to make it worthwhile to use TOU billing.

I'll say that if your heater impacts your mileage more than 15%, you either have a very efficient car or a very horrible heater. The heater in my model X is 5 kW max. At 60 mph the power the car uses averages 20 kW. For the heater to impact that 15% it would need to run 2/3 of the time. I think if my toes were warmed by a 3 kW heater they would be quite toasty indeed.


Rick C.

---+ Get 6 months of free supercharging
---+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

bitrex
Guest

Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:45 am   



On 01/31/2019 10:21 PM, edward.ming.lee_at_gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 7:01:02 PM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
On 01/31/2019 08:05 PM, amdx wrote:

I mean if you go back and read my original comment in the thread I
think legislation to manage charging port costs is unnecessary the
market can probably figure this one out just fine. It's not a monopoly
situation there are always other options, including what I did which
was buy a car that's half-and-half.

That particular company seems to have made a business decision to
implicitly shut people with slower-charging, older vehicles out, IMO
basically because it's San Francisco and catering to the wealthy makes
sense there. Okay that sucks but most people have power lines coming
into their house and EVGo doesn't run the utility company, the utility
company will be glad to sell you whatever power you can get into your
car via whatever legal means you do it.

I think if they try that model everywhere or stick with it too long
they'll go out of business. I see the EVGo branded chargers around
here that seem to be running the same kind of rates nobody uses them
so very hard to see how they're turning a profit on that investment.
The more subsidy-friendly MA state or local governments may have given
them an initial kickback to install 'em but the taxpayers are not
generous forever even here.

Didn't read enough to know what else the company does, but the stock
price tripled since Jan 2017.  NRG

Ah, they're a major utility company doing this as a hobby. The situation
makes somewhat more sense now.

Not anymore, i guess.

https://www.autoblog.com/2016/06/26/nrg-sells-evgo-fast-charge-network/


"As part of a $120 million settlement the California Public Utilities
Commission reached with what became NRG, the utility company was tasked
with allocating $100 million towards setting up a charging network."

Ahh...so these were "penalty chargers" lol

"No acquisition price was disclosed."

RIP EVGo

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