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Jan Panteltje
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Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:29 pm
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:08:20 -0700) it happened Joerg
<invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in <8botupFq9aU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
Quote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:36:19 -0700) it happened Joerg
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in <8booi7FqgtU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
Well, the news is usually bad, x killed, disaster here, war there,
heat waves, bush fires, be glad it did not work:-)
Play some good music instead.
But one needs to know the bad news as well.
I am not sure actually, this is bit philosophical,
but why should I know it?
Today I though: Perhaps because it makes you feel better as it is far away,
keeps people quiet, they think they are in an OK place.
Politically motivated bad news?
Of course a large part of the news is taken up by what politicians play.
They are media maniacs that love any problem to get themselves in front of the camera,
even if they have nothing useful to add.
Out here the news is actualy not all that negative. But sometimes
boring. For example, I really don't need to know where Chelsey Clinton
got married.
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:36:19 -0700) it happened Joerg
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in <8booi7FqgtU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
Well, the news is usually bad, x killed, disaster here, war there,
heat waves, bush fires, be glad it did not work:-)
Play some good music instead.
But one needs to know the bad news as well.
I am not sure actually, this is bit philosophical,
but why should I know it?
Today I though: Perhaps because it makes you feel better as it is far away,
keeps people quiet, they think they are in an OK place.
Politically motivated bad news?
Of course a large part of the news is taken up by what politicians play.
They are media maniacs that love any problem to get themselves in front of the camera,
even if they have nothing useful to add.
Out here the news is actualy not all that negative. But sometimes
boring. For example, I really don't need to know where Chelsey Clinton
got married.
Exactly, before that it was the life of Paris Hilton IIRC.
Quote:
[...]
Right, do not pay for the advertising!
No, we fast forward through it. One box even has an advertising FFW
button that hops it 30sec at a time.
Good,.
There exists soft with scene change detection too, IIRC.
Yeah, but it works well enough by hand. I am also rather good in tuning
it out in my head, reading up on stuff during the news when the ads play.
Right, do not pay for the advertising!
No, we fast forward through it. One box even has an advertising FFW
button that hops it 30sec at a time.
Good,.
There exists soft with scene change detection too, IIRC.
Yeah, but it works well enough by hand. I am also rather good in tuning
it out in my head, reading up on stuff during the news when the ads play.
Once I made the mistake to actually edit it out.
Those are the commercials I still remember, as I had to see them many times
to get start, and end, and audio, right in the editior :-)
Quote:
And also the source material counts, garbage in garbage out.
Dancing with the Stars from BBC is super material, you really see a
difference.
Now I am confused.
If it was from BBC, then it must have been original 25 fps .
that reminds me of dropped frames and fast pulldown, big problem with motion in
a 30 fps country.
Here the movies just play 25 fps, no dropped frames, but they are slightly shorter
(original film was 24).
The pitch of the audio is higher too.
http://www.24p.com/conversion.htm
Oh, Jan, we live in the 21st century. The times when such major events
were recorded in an analog format are long gone.
Cannot follow you here, BBC was recorded at 25 fps (tape) or 24 fps (film).
You play at 30 fps (or 60), so you have to interpolate frames and add those at irregular intervals.
I have some Linux soft for that, it works, but the motion is not as smooth
as at the original speed I think.
Do you think digital does not know about frame rate?
The problem we had here with LCD TVs (seems to go away with better sets) was that many sets were HD compatible
but displayed the 25 fps material at 30 fps, causing horrible horizontal irregular jumping of
the picture.
Quote:
It's the level of the nerd factor. A big honking PC in the living room
requires one almost not to be married. A small one is ok, but only if
freshly married or close to the 50th anniversary
requires one almost not to be married. A small one is ok, but only if
freshly married or close to the 50th anniversary
I think you still do not get the concept.
I am not a fan of VDR, but have a look at Klaus his website:
http://www.tvdr.de/
It does not have to be a 'big honking PC'.
My media centre PC is not in the living room.
There is no need for that, most modern TVs can access files on the media server,
via a menu (and ethernet).
There are cheap interface boxes available these days with HD output and ethernet connection
for any room you want.
In fact, with all those standards constantly changing, the best bet is to split everything up,
monitor, receiver, disks, DVD burner.
At least something will be of use a bit longer then the 2 to 5 years we now have between a system change,
3D is here hoopla, we just had HD .
Do you have your 3D set yet?
Jim Thompson
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Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:34 pm
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:08:20 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Quote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:36:19 -0700) it happened Joerg
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in <8booi7FqgtU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
Well, the news is usually bad, x killed, disaster here, war there,
heat waves, bush fires, be glad it did not work:-)
Play some good music instead.
But one needs to know the bad news as well.
I am not sure actually, this is bit philosophical,
but why should I know it?
Today I though: Perhaps because it makes you feel better as it is far away,
keeps people quiet, they think they are in an OK place.
Politically motivated bad news?
Of course a large part of the news is taken up by what politicians play.
They are media maniacs that love any problem to get themselves in front of the camera,
even if they have nothing useful to add.
Out here the news is actualy not all that negative. But sometimes
boring. For example, I really don't need to know where Chelsey Clinton
got married.
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:36:19 -0700) it happened Joerg
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in <8booi7FqgtU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
Well, the news is usually bad, x killed, disaster here, war there,
heat waves, bush fires, be glad it did not work:-)
Play some good music instead.
But one needs to know the bad news as well.
I am not sure actually, this is bit philosophical,
but why should I know it?
Today I though: Perhaps because it makes you feel better as it is far away,
keeps people quiet, they think they are in an OK place.
Politically motivated bad news?
Of course a large part of the news is taken up by what politicians play.
They are media maniacs that love any problem to get themselves in front of the camera,
even if they have nothing useful to add.
Out here the news is actualy not all that negative. But sometimes
boring. For example, I really don't need to know where Chelsey Clinton
got married.
She did? I didn't know that! I thought she was too ugly ;-)
Quote:
[...]
Right, do not pay for the advertising!
No, we fast forward through it. One box even has an advertising FFW
button that hops it 30sec at a time.
Good,.
There exists soft with scene change detection too, IIRC.
Yeah, but it works well enough by hand. I am also rather good in tuning
it out in my head, reading up on stuff during the news when the ads play.
And also the source material counts, garbage in garbage out.
Dancing with the Stars from BBC is super material, you really see a
difference.
Now I am confused.
If it was from BBC, then it must have been original 25 fps .
that reminds me of dropped frames and fast pulldown, big problem with motion in
a 30 fps country.
Here the movies just play 25 fps, no dropped frames, but they are slightly shorter
(original film was 24).
The pitch of the audio is higher too.
http://www.24p.com/conversion.htm
Oh, Jan, we live in the 21st century. The times when such major events
were recorded in an analog format are long gone.
I want the regular stuff to work right, my wife will not want a nerd box
in the living room ;-)
Na ja, these days everybody needs to be a nerd, to use even you cellphone
or laptop, or GPS, or TV, or camera, or whatever.
Washing machine too.
Maybe one day this will go away, and a robot will do those thing,
like programming all those gadgets,
But I am sure that will create problems of its own.
It's the level of the nerd factor. A big honking PC in the living room
requires one almost not to be married. A small one is ok, but only if
freshly married or close to the 50th anniversary
I was down to Aaron's acreage yesterday... 12 Dell rack-mounted
servers :-)
Our cable box has an HD... pause while going potty... fast forward
thru commercials
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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Spice is like a sports car...
Performance only as good as the person behind the wheel.
Joerg
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Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:52 pm
Jan Panteltje wrote:
Quote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:08:20 -0700) it happened Joerg
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in <8botupFq9aU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:36:19 -0700) it happened
Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in
8booi7FqgtU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in <8botupFq9aU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:36:19 -0700) it happened
Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in
8booi7FqgtU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
[...]
Quote:
[...]
Right, do not pay for the advertising!
No, we fast forward through it. One box even has an advertising
FFW button that hops it 30sec at a time.
Good,. There exists soft with scene change detection too, IIRC.
Yeah, but it works well enough by hand. I am also rather good in
tuning it out in my head, reading up on stuff during the news when
the ads play.
Once I made the mistake to actually edit it out. Those are the
commercials I still remember, as I had to see them many times to get
start, and end, and audio, right in the editior :-)
Very few ads remained in my gray cells. The only one I remember from the
six years I lived in NL is from Douwe Egberts "En dan is er koffie".
Quote:
And also the source material counts, garbage in garbage out.
Dancing with the Stars from BBC is super material, you really
see a difference.
Now I am confused. If it was from BBC, then it must have been
original 25 fps . that reminds me of dropped frames and fast
pulldown, big problem with motion in a 30 fps country. Here the
movies just play 25 fps, no dropped frames, but they are slightly
shorter (original film was 24). The pitch of the audio is higher
too. http://www.24p.com/conversion.htm
Oh, Jan, we live in the 21st century. The times when such major
events were recorded in an analog format are long gone.
Cannot follow you here, BBC was recorded at 25 fps (tape) or 24 fps
(film). You play at 30 fps (or 60), so you have to interpolate frames
and add those at irregular intervals. I have some Linux soft for
that, it works, but the motion is not as smooth as at the original
speed I think. Do you think digital does not know about frame rate?
The problem we had here with LCD TVs (seems to go away with better
sets) was that many sets were HD compatible but displayed the 25 fps
material at 30 fps, causing horrible horizontal irregular jumping of
the picture.
This is what's cooking these days:
http://www.ikegami.com/br/products/hdtv/pdf/HDK77EX0401s.pdf
Most modern cameras can be switched so you can record in several native
frame rate standards:
http://www.ikegami.com/br/products/hdtv/hdtv_camera_frame1.html
I don't know how they do it but there is no interpolation at all. I
believe they record in US format because the participants are mostly
American, so it's for our market. The judges are one American, one
British and one (rather hot-blooded ...) Italian.
Quote:
It's the level of the nerd factor. A big honking PC in the living
room requires one almost not to be married. A small one is ok, but
only if freshly married or close to the 50th anniversary :-)
I think you still do not get the concept. I am not a fan of VDR, but
have a look at Klaus his website: http://www.tvdr.de/ It does not
have to be a 'big honking PC'. ...
It is pretty big. Anyhow, ours has the described features as well or
pretty close:
http://www.tvdr.de/software.htm
Except we have to swap out the disk after x hours. Ok, no big deal.
Quote:
... My media centre PC is not in the
living room. There is no need for that, most modern TVs can access
files on the media server, via a menu (and ethernet). There are cheap
interface boxes available these days with HD output and ethernet
connection for any room you want. In fact, with all those standards
constantly changing, the best bet is to split everything up, monitor,
receiver, disks, DVD burner. At least something will be of use a bit
longer then the 2 to 5 years we now have between a system change, 3D
is here hoopla, we just had HD . Do you have your 3D set yet?
living room. There is no need for that, most modern TVs can access
files on the media server, via a menu (and ethernet). There are cheap
interface boxes available these days with HD output and ethernet
connection for any room you want. In fact, with all those standards
constantly changing, the best bet is to split everything up, monitor,
receiver, disks, DVD burner. At least something will be of use a bit
longer then the 2 to 5 years we now have between a system change, 3D
is here hoopla, we just had HD . Do you have your 3D set yet?
No, and no need to. Same with BlueRay. Since we are into older movies
and don't like games or scifi there would be no use for that here. We
rather spend that money at the Japanese restaurant, like today :-)
--
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
Jim Thompson
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Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:02 am
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:52:27 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Quote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:08:20 -0700) it happened Joerg
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in <8botupFq9aU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:36:19 -0700) it happened
Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in
8booi7FqgtU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
[...]
[...]
Right, do not pay for the advertising!
No, we fast forward through it. One box even has an advertising
FFW button that hops it 30sec at a time.
Good,. There exists soft with scene change detection too, IIRC.
Yeah, but it works well enough by hand. I am also rather good in
tuning it out in my head, reading up on stuff during the news when
the ads play.
Once I made the mistake to actually edit it out. Those are the
commercials I still remember, as I had to see them many times to get
start, and end, and audio, right in the editior :-)
Very few ads remained in my gray cells. The only one I remember from the
six years I lived in NL is from Douwe Egberts "En dan is er koffie".
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:08:20 -0700) it happened Joerg
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in <8botupFq9aU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:36:19 -0700) it happened
Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in
8booi7FqgtU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
[...]
[...]
Right, do not pay for the advertising!
No, we fast forward through it. One box even has an advertising
FFW button that hops it 30sec at a time.
Good,. There exists soft with scene change detection too, IIRC.
Yeah, but it works well enough by hand. I am also rather good in
tuning it out in my head, reading up on stuff during the news when
the ads play.
Once I made the mistake to actually edit it out. Those are the
commercials I still remember, as I had to see them many times to get
start, and end, and audio, right in the editior :-)
Very few ads remained in my gray cells. The only one I remember from the
six years I lived in NL is from Douwe Egberts "En dan is er koffie".
I preferred the Cavendish myself ;-)
[snip]
...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, CTO | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
Spice is like a sports car...
Performance only as good as the person behind the wheel.
Greegor
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Guest
Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:09 am
I griped about the new USA Television system many months ago.
The FCC has a web site where you can see all of the
"dead spots" under the new system.
The new system is apparently LINE OF SIGHT
and is bothered by trees or dips in terrain.
In Cedar Rapids where I live, (pop 100K) there is
a big dead spot smack dab in the middle of the
most densely populated area of town!
If you check other cities on the FCC site you
can see that such dead spots occur inside of
many other densely populated metro areas.
A system so vulnerable to rolling hills
or trees is downright stupid.
It is as if the CABLE or SAT DISH companies
helped design the new USA TV Broadcast standard.
I can put an antenna WAY up on a mast and
STILL have trouble because of trees, terrain
or directionality.
WHO designed this new USA TV standard
and why did the FCC not catch the considerable
problems BEFORE committing us to it?
Joel Koltner
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Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:38 am
"Joerg" <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Quote:
Nobody is going to buy new FM radios. That's why I predicted HD-radio to
fizzle, which it did.
fizzle, which it did.
It hasn't really fizzled. While it's certainly not setting the world on fire,
there does seem to be slow but steady growth. See, e.g.,
http://www.twice.com/article/455377-iBiquity_HD_Radio_Sales_More_Than_Double.php .
Shipping over a million radios per year should be enough to keep it viable! I
also see Crutchfield devoting a fair number of catalog pages towards pushing
it...
I do find it a little disheartening that the FCC would license a proprietary
standard, though -- iBiquity owns the rights to the HD radio standard; every
single one of the ~3 million HD radios built out there resulted in their
receiving a royalty.
Microsoft is releasing an upgraded, 64GB version of their MP3 player/HD
radio/widget, the Zune HD in August, and I have to believe they would have
dropped the HD radio chip in it is they didn't think it was continuing to help
their sales a bit, as a differentiator with iTouch/iPhone devices. (The
original Zune HD came out last September.)
Oh, and STMicroelectronics is still interested:
http://www.st.com/stonline/stappl/cms/press/news/year2010/t3044.htm .
---Joel
Joerg
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Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:46 am
Jim Thompson wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:52:27 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:08:20 -0700) it happened Joerg
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in <8botupFq9aU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:36:19 -0700) it happened
Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in
8booi7FqgtU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
[...]
[...]
Right, do not pay for the advertising!
No, we fast forward through it. One box even has an advertising
FFW button that hops it 30sec at a time.
Good,. There exists soft with scene change detection too, IIRC.
Yeah, but it works well enough by hand. I am also rather good in
tuning it out in my head, reading up on stuff during the news when
the ads play.
Once I made the mistake to actually edit it out. Those are the
commercials I still remember, as I had to see them many times to get
start, and end, and audio, right in the editior :-)
Very few ads remained in my gray cells. The only one I remember from the
six years I lived in NL is from Douwe Egberts "En dan is er koffie".
I preferred the Cavendish myself ;-)
wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:08:20 -0700) it happened Joerg
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in <8botupFq9aU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:36:19 -0700) it happened
Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in
8booi7FqgtU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
[...]
[...]
Right, do not pay for the advertising!
No, we fast forward through it. One box even has an advertising
FFW button that hops it 30sec at a time.
Good,. There exists soft with scene change detection too, IIRC.
Yeah, but it works well enough by hand. I am also rather good in
tuning it out in my head, reading up on stuff during the news when
the ads play.
Once I made the mistake to actually edit it out. Those are the
commercials I still remember, as I had to see them many times to get
start, and end, and audio, right in the editior :-)
Very few ads remained in my gray cells. The only one I remember from the
six years I lived in NL is from Douwe Egberts "En dan is er koffie".
I preferred the Cavendish myself ;-)
Well, that ad was for Douwe Egbert coffee :-)
Some of the ads for smokes from Germany also stuck because they were
quite funny.
--
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
Joerg
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Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:56 am
Joel Koltner wrote:
Quote:
"Joerg" <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:8bouvnFvitU1_at_mid.individual.net...
Nobody is going to buy new FM radios. That's why I predicted HD-radio to
fizzle, which it did.
It hasn't really fizzled. While it's certainly not setting the world on
fire, there does seem to be slow but steady growth. See, e.g.,
http://www.twice.com/article/455377-iBiquity_HD_Radio_Sales_More_Than_Double.php
. Shipping over a million radios per year should be enough to keep it
viable! I also see Crutchfield devoting a fair number of catalog pages
towards pushing it...
news:8bouvnFvitU1_at_mid.individual.net...
Nobody is going to buy new FM radios. That's why I predicted HD-radio to
fizzle, which it did.
It hasn't really fizzled. While it's certainly not setting the world on
fire, there does seem to be slow but steady growth. See, e.g.,
http://www.twice.com/article/455377-iBiquity_HD_Radio_Sales_More_Than_Double.php
. Shipping over a million radios per year should be enough to keep it
viable! I also see Crutchfield devoting a fair number of catalog pages
towards pushing it...
Still a drop in the bucket. Success to me would mean that modern
vehicles are equipped with it. But that isn't the case. We rented three
cars a couple weeks ago. A Chevy Cobalt, a Toyota Venza and a Ford
Mustang, all nearly brand-new. None had it. But you already mentioned a
core reason here:
Quote:
I do find it a little disheartening that the FCC would license a
proprietary standard, though -- iBiquity owns the rights to the HD radio
standard; every single one of the ~3 million HD radios built out there
resulted in their receiving a royalty.
proprietary standard, though -- iBiquity owns the rights to the HD radio
standard; every single one of the ~3 million HD radios built out there
resulted in their receiving a royalty.
That's one of the reasons I think HD radio doesn't have a chance. It's
the same with home automation standards, except that there the whole
market doesn't come out of the hole.
Quote:
Microsoft is releasing an upgraded, 64GB version of their MP3 player/HD
radio/widget, the Zune HD in August, and I have to believe they would
have dropped the HD radio chip in it is they didn't think it was
continuing to help their sales a bit, as a differentiator with
iTouch/iPhone devices. (The original Zune HD came out last September.)
Oh, and STMicroelectronics is still interested:
http://www.st.com/stonline/stappl/cms/press/news/year2010/t3044.htm .
radio/widget, the Zune HD in August, and I have to believe they would
have dropped the HD radio chip in it is they didn't think it was
continuing to help their sales a bit, as a differentiator with
iTouch/iPhone devices. (The original Zune HD came out last September.)
Oh, and STMicroelectronics is still interested:
http://www.st.com/stonline/stappl/cms/press/news/year2010/t3044.htm .
Neither of the two chips is available at the major US distributors.
That's usually the sign of a dead-end, to me as a circuit designer it is
a big red flag. This one has a July 2009 date in the datasheet so not
exactly new:
http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/14860.pdf
--
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
Jim Thompson
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Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:00 am
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:46:37 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Quote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:52:27 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:08:20 -0700) it happened Joerg
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in <8botupFq9aU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:36:19 -0700) it happened
Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in
8booi7FqgtU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
[...]
[...]
Right, do not pay for the advertising!
No, we fast forward through it. One box even has an advertising
FFW button that hops it 30sec at a time.
Good,. There exists soft with scene change detection too, IIRC.
Yeah, but it works well enough by hand. I am also rather good in
tuning it out in my head, reading up on stuff during the news when
the ads play.
Once I made the mistake to actually edit it out. Those are the
commercials I still remember, as I had to see them many times to get
start, and end, and audio, right in the editior :-)
Very few ads remained in my gray cells. The only one I remember from the
six years I lived in NL is from Douwe Egberts "En dan is er koffie".
I preferred the Cavendish myself ;-)
Well, that ad was for Douwe Egbert coffee :-)
Some of the ads for smokes from Germany also stuck because they were
quite funny.
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:52:27 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:08:20 -0700) it happened Joerg
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in <8botupFq9aU1_at_mid.individual.net>:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:36:19 -0700) it happened
Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in
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[...]
[...]
Right, do not pay for the advertising!
No, we fast forward through it. One box even has an advertising
FFW button that hops it 30sec at a time.
Good,. There exists soft with scene change detection too, IIRC.
Yeah, but it works well enough by hand. I am also rather good in
tuning it out in my head, reading up on stuff during the news when
the ads play.
Once I made the mistake to actually edit it out. Those are the
commercials I still remember, as I had to see them many times to get
start, and end, and audio, right in the editior :-)
Very few ads remained in my gray cells. The only one I remember from the
six years I lived in NL is from Douwe Egberts "En dan is er koffie".
I preferred the Cavendish myself ;-)
Well, that ad was for Douwe Egbert coffee :-)
Some of the ads for smokes from Germany also stuck because they were
quite funny.
I used to go thru a pound tin per week :-0
...Jim Thompson
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:56:55 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Quote:
Joel Koltner wrote:
"Joerg" <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Nobody is going to buy new FM radios. That's why I predicted HD-radio to
fizzle, which it did.
It hasn't really fizzled. While it's certainly not setting the world on
fire, there does seem to be slow but steady growth. See, e.g.,
http://www.twice.com/article/455377-iBiquity_HD_Radio_Sales_More_Than_Double.php
. Shipping over a million radios per year should be enough to keep it
viable! I also see Crutchfield devoting a fair number of catalog pages
towards pushing it...
Still a drop in the bucket. Success to me would mean that modern
vehicles are equipped with it. But that isn't the case. We rented three
cars a couple weeks ago. A Chevy Cobalt, a Toyota Venza and a Ford
Mustang, all nearly brand-new. None had it. But you already mentioned a
core reason here:
I do find it a little disheartening that the FCC would license a
proprietary standard, though -- iBiquity owns the rights to the HD radio
standard; every single one of the ~3 million HD radios built out there
resulted in their receiving a royalty.
That's one of the reasons I think HD radio doesn't have a chance. It's
the same with home automation standards, except that there the whole
market doesn't come out of the hole.
Microsoft is releasing an upgraded, 64GB version of their MP3 player/HD
radio/widget, the Zune HD in August, and I have to believe they would
have dropped the HD radio chip in it is they didn't think it was
continuing to help their sales a bit, as a differentiator with
iTouch/iPhone devices. (The original Zune HD came out last September.)
Oh, and STMicroelectronics is still interested:
http://www.st.com/stonline/stappl/cms/press/news/year2010/t3044.htm .
Neither of the two chips is available at the major US distributors.
That's usually the sign of a dead-end, to me as a circuit designer it is
a big red flag. This one has a July 2009 date in the datasheet so not
exactly new:
http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/14860.pdf
"Joerg" <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:8bouvnFvitU1_at_mid.individual.net...
Nobody is going to buy new FM radios. That's why I predicted HD-radio to
fizzle, which it did.
It hasn't really fizzled. While it's certainly not setting the world on
fire, there does seem to be slow but steady growth. See, e.g.,
http://www.twice.com/article/455377-iBiquity_HD_Radio_Sales_More_Than_Double.php
. Shipping over a million radios per year should be enough to keep it
viable! I also see Crutchfield devoting a fair number of catalog pages
towards pushing it...
Still a drop in the bucket. Success to me would mean that modern
vehicles are equipped with it. But that isn't the case. We rented three
cars a couple weeks ago. A Chevy Cobalt, a Toyota Venza and a Ford
Mustang, all nearly brand-new. None had it. But you already mentioned a
core reason here:
I do find it a little disheartening that the FCC would license a
proprietary standard, though -- iBiquity owns the rights to the HD radio
standard; every single one of the ~3 million HD radios built out there
resulted in their receiving a royalty.
That's one of the reasons I think HD radio doesn't have a chance. It's
the same with home automation standards, except that there the whole
market doesn't come out of the hole.
Microsoft is releasing an upgraded, 64GB version of their MP3 player/HD
radio/widget, the Zune HD in August, and I have to believe they would
have dropped the HD radio chip in it is they didn't think it was
continuing to help their sales a bit, as a differentiator with
iTouch/iPhone devices. (The original Zune HD came out last September.)
Oh, and STMicroelectronics is still interested:
http://www.st.com/stonline/stappl/cms/press/news/year2010/t3044.htm .
Neither of the two chips is available at the major US distributors.
That's usually the sign of a dead-end, to me as a circuit designer it is
a big red flag. This one has a July 2009 date in the datasheet so not
exactly new:
http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/14860.pdf
Who needs HD content when, as in our Q45, you have AM, FM, multi-disk
CD, Tape and SAT all built-in ?
...Jim Thompson
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Performance only as good as the person behind the wheel.
Joerg
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Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:08 am
Jim Thompson wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:56:55 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:
Joel Koltner wrote:
"Joerg" <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:8bouvnFvitU1_at_mid.individual.net...
Nobody is going to buy new FM radios. That's why I predicted HD-radio to
fizzle, which it did.
It hasn't really fizzled. While it's certainly not setting the world on
fire, there does seem to be slow but steady growth. See, e.g.,
http://www.twice.com/article/455377-iBiquity_HD_Radio_Sales_More_Than_Double.php
. Shipping over a million radios per year should be enough to keep it
viable! I also see Crutchfield devoting a fair number of catalog pages
towards pushing it...
Still a drop in the bucket. Success to me would mean that modern
vehicles are equipped with it. But that isn't the case. We rented three
cars a couple weeks ago. A Chevy Cobalt, a Toyota Venza and a Ford
Mustang, all nearly brand-new. None had it. But you already mentioned a
core reason here:
I do find it a little disheartening that the FCC would license a
proprietary standard, though -- iBiquity owns the rights to the HD radio
standard; every single one of the ~3 million HD radios built out there
resulted in their receiving a royalty.
That's one of the reasons I think HD radio doesn't have a chance. It's
the same with home automation standards, except that there the whole
market doesn't come out of the hole.
Microsoft is releasing an upgraded, 64GB version of their MP3 player/HD
radio/widget, the Zune HD in August, and I have to believe they would
have dropped the HD radio chip in it is they didn't think it was
continuing to help their sales a bit, as a differentiator with
iTouch/iPhone devices. (The original Zune HD came out last September.)
Oh, and STMicroelectronics is still interested:
http://www.st.com/stonline/stappl/cms/press/news/year2010/t3044.htm .
Neither of the two chips is available at the major US distributors.
That's usually the sign of a dead-end, to me as a circuit designer it is
a big red flag. This one has a July 2009 date in the datasheet so not
exactly new:
http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/14860.pdf
Who needs HD content when, as in our Q45, you have AM, FM, multi-disk
CD, Tape and SAT all built-in ?:-)
wrote:
Joel Koltner wrote:
"Joerg" <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:8bouvnFvitU1_at_mid.individual.net...
Nobody is going to buy new FM radios. That's why I predicted HD-radio to
fizzle, which it did.
It hasn't really fizzled. While it's certainly not setting the world on
fire, there does seem to be slow but steady growth. See, e.g.,
http://www.twice.com/article/455377-iBiquity_HD_Radio_Sales_More_Than_Double.php
. Shipping over a million radios per year should be enough to keep it
viable! I also see Crutchfield devoting a fair number of catalog pages
towards pushing it...
Still a drop in the bucket. Success to me would mean that modern
vehicles are equipped with it. But that isn't the case. We rented three
cars a couple weeks ago. A Chevy Cobalt, a Toyota Venza and a Ford
Mustang, all nearly brand-new. None had it. But you already mentioned a
core reason here:
I do find it a little disheartening that the FCC would license a
proprietary standard, though -- iBiquity owns the rights to the HD radio
standard; every single one of the ~3 million HD radios built out there
resulted in their receiving a royalty.
That's one of the reasons I think HD radio doesn't have a chance. It's
the same with home automation standards, except that there the whole
market doesn't come out of the hole.
Microsoft is releasing an upgraded, 64GB version of their MP3 player/HD
radio/widget, the Zune HD in August, and I have to believe they would
have dropped the HD radio chip in it is they didn't think it was
continuing to help their sales a bit, as a differentiator with
iTouch/iPhone devices. (The original Zune HD came out last September.)
Oh, and STMicroelectronics is still interested:
http://www.st.com/stonline/stappl/cms/press/news/year2010/t3044.htm .
Neither of the two chips is available at the major US distributors.
That's usually the sign of a dead-end, to me as a circuit designer it is
a big red flag. This one has a July 2009 date in the datasheet so not
exactly new:
http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/14860.pdf
Who needs HD content when, as in our Q45, you have AM, FM, multi-disk
CD, Tape and SAT all built-in ?:-)
That's what I've asked myself the first time HD radio was announced. In
medical we call that "me, too" technology, and this one essentially came
too late.
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Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:08 am
Hi Joerg,
"Joerg" <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:8bp4acFqojU1_at_mid.individual.net...
Quote:
Still a drop in the bucket.
Agreed, but I wouldn't be all that unhappy if I were the CEO of iBiquity right
now -- becoming Microsoft or Apple is great, but running a profitable company
with ~150 employees isn't bad either.
Quote:
Success to me would mean that modern
vehicles are equipped with it. But that isn't the case. We rented three
cars a couple weeks ago. A Chevy Cobalt, a Toyota Venza and a Ford
Mustang, all nearly brand-new. None had it.
vehicles are equipped with it. But that isn't the case. We rented three
cars a couple weeks ago. A Chevy Cobalt, a Toyota Venza and a Ford
Mustang, all nearly brand-new. None had it.
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/hd-radio-now-standard-on-all-2011-bmw-models-ar87517.html
??? Guess you just need to rent fancier cars? And it comes with, "fewer
static!" How can you beat that!? :-)
They have a list here, although it's not entirely clear which models HD radios
come standard on and which it's strictly optional:
http://www.hdradio.com/buyers_guide.php?prime=autonew&price=any#BuyersGuideController
Quote:
That's one of the reasons I think HD radio doesn't have a chance. It's
the same with home automation standards, except that there the whole
market doesn't come out of the hole.
the same with home automation standards, except that there the whole
market doesn't come out of the hole.
I think it's going to be around for the forseeable future, although I don't
think it's going to kill off traditional FM... ever.
RDS is largely a fizzled standard though, you know? -- And that seems like, at
least today, it'd be dirt cheap to make standard on all cars.
---Joel
Joel Koltner
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Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:18 am
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:04ne56dvd5at21fnaogrdsgh13pcpk6akv_at_4ax.com...
Quote:
Who needs HD content when, as in our Q45, you have AM, FM, multi-disk
CD, Tape and SAT all built-in ?
CD, Tape and SAT all built-in ?
In theory HD radio could give you the best of FM and satellite: Lots of
high-quality sound choices and local news -- without paying $13/month.
In practive, as Joerg observes, it's not at all a viable alternative. At
least not yet.
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
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Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:21 am
On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:38:59 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
<zapwireDASHgroups_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Joerg" <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:8bouvnFvitU1_at_mid.individual.net...
Nobody is going to buy new FM radios. That's why I predicted HD-radio to
fizzle, which it did.
It hasn't really fizzled. While it's certainly not setting the world on fire,
there does seem to be slow but steady growth. See, e.g.,
http://www.twice.com/article/455377-iBiquity_HD_Radio_Sales_More_Than_Double.php .
Shipping over a million radios per year should be enough to keep it viable! I
also see Crutchfield devoting a fair number of catalog pages towards pushing
it...
I do find it a little disheartening that the FCC would license a proprietary
standard, though -- iBiquity owns the rights to the HD radio standard; every
single one of the ~3 million HD radios built out there resulted in their
receiving a royalty.
news:8bouvnFvitU1_at_mid.individual.net...
Nobody is going to buy new FM radios. That's why I predicted HD-radio to
fizzle, which it did.
It hasn't really fizzled. While it's certainly not setting the world on fire,
there does seem to be slow but steady growth. See, e.g.,
http://www.twice.com/article/455377-iBiquity_HD_Radio_Sales_More_Than_Double.php .
Shipping over a million radios per year should be enough to keep it viable! I
also see Crutchfield devoting a fair number of catalog pages towards pushing
it...
I do find it a little disheartening that the FCC would license a proprietary
standard, though -- iBiquity owns the rights to the HD radio standard; every
single one of the ~3 million HD radios built out there resulted in their
receiving a royalty.
Who cares about HD radio? If you don't like it don't buy it. There are
*many* alternatives.
Joerg
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Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:31 am
Joel Koltner wrote:
Quote:
Hi Joerg,
"Joerg" <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:8bp4acFqojU1_at_mid.individual.net...
Still a drop in the bucket.
Agreed, but I wouldn't be all that unhappy if I were the CEO of iBiquity
right now -- becoming Microsoft or Apple is great, but running a
profitable company with ~150 employees isn't bad either.
"Joerg" <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:8bp4acFqojU1_at_mid.individual.net...
Still a drop in the bucket.
Agreed, but I wouldn't be all that unhappy if I were the CEO of iBiquity
right now -- becoming Microsoft or Apple is great, but running a
profitable company with ~150 employees isn't bad either.
Yes, having landed a de-facto monopoly provides a plum position in the
marketplace no matter how small that monopoly is.
Quote:
Success to me would mean that modern
vehicles are equipped with it. But that isn't the case. We rented three
cars a couple weeks ago. A Chevy Cobalt, a Toyota Venza and a Ford
Mustang, all nearly brand-new. None had it.
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/hd-radio-now-standard-on-all-2011-bmw-models-ar87517.html
??? Guess you just need to rent fancier cars? And it comes with,
"fewer static!" How can you beat that!? :-)
vehicles are equipped with it. But that isn't the case. We rented three
cars a couple weeks ago. A Chevy Cobalt, a Toyota Venza and a Ford
Mustang, all nearly brand-new. None had it.
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/hd-radio-now-standard-on-all-2011-bmw-models-ar87517.html
??? Guess you just need to rent fancier cars? And it comes with,
"fewer static!" How can you beat that!? :-)
Oh yeah, I always wanted to rent a BMW750iL but I guess the CEO of the
client who ends up with that tab will want to have a word with me :-)
Quote:
They have a list here, although it's not entirely clear which models HD
radios come standard on and which it's strictly optional:
http://www.hdradio.com/buyers_guide.php?prime=autonew&price=any#BuyersGuideController
radios come standard on and which it's strictly optional:
http://www.hdradio.com/buyers_guide.php?prime=autonew&price=any#BuyersGuideController
I vaguely remember one of the domestic car manufacturers offering it
(Polk i-something) but I also remember seeing a $500 price tag there.
Quote:
That's one of the reasons I think HD radio doesn't have a chance. It's
the same with home automation standards, except that there the whole
market doesn't come out of the hole.
I think it's going to be around for the forseeable future, although I
don't think it's going to kill off traditional FM... ever.
RDS is largely a fizzled standard though, you know? -- And that seems
like, at least today, it'd be dirt cheap to make standard on all cars.
In Europe it hasn't fizzled AFAIK. They had similar things since a long
time. I remember buying my Audi station wagon over there, via a dealer.
1987 model year (it's still on the road). Just as I wanted to leave the
lot I inadvertently hit the brakes because the radio started blasting
and I hadn't even turned it on. I thought something had come unglued.
Turns out that when it receives a certain data code via some local
transmitter it would let off traffic jam alerts unless you explicitly
disable that feature. I asked a neighbor who had a similar Audi and he
said they all come with it.
I have no idea how it is over there now. They do have some sort of
digital radio system on the FM band. Last time I was over there the
programming was boring and when alone I tried to tune in to AFN.
--
Regards, Joerg
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