Dumbed down consumer electronics: Adding DTV channels

Joerg wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
Only thing I can say about it is that I love satellite.
With many many free programs here in Europe I guess we are spoiled.
In the US we do not have free satellite :-(


There is, but it's slim pickings.

http://www.gosatellite.com/FTA-Learning-Center/FTA-Master-Channel-List

And, quote "Purchase one of the recommended satellite packages below
...". You typically need a large expensive dish. Neighbors have those
but they sure are not cheap. Also, you get a full day's worth of
exercise digging a foundation, mixing concrete for that, and all this
fun stuff.


A full day? I've put up entire C-band systems in a couple hours.
Most of that spent making sure the pipe is absolutely vertical, so the
polar mount will track.

As far as the hardware, I see used systems on Craig's list from time
to time.

On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:10:08 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:


Joerg wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
Only thing I can say about it is that I love satellite.
With many many free programs here in Europe I guess we are spoiled.
In the US we do not have free satellite :-(


There is, but it's slim pickings.

http://www.gosatellite.com/FTA-Learning-Center/FTA-Master-Channel-List

And, quote "Purchase one of the recommended satellite packages below
...". You typically need a large expensive dish. Neighbors have those
but they sure are not cheap. Also, you get a full day's worth of
exercise digging a foundation, mixing concrete for that, and all this
fun stuff.


A full day? I've put up entire C-band systems in a couple hours.
Most of that spent making sure the pipe is absolutely vertical, so the
polar mount will track.

As far as the hardware, I see used systems on Craig's list from time
to time.

I can see that happening, the hard part is getting the concrete right
so that the whole shebang is ready to operate with only one hour for
concrete strength. Or did you tell them it will be ready the next
day.

Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
Only thing I can say about it is that I love satellite.
With many many free programs here in Europe I guess we are spoiled.
In the US we do not have free satellite :-(

There is, but it's slim pickings.

http://www.gosatellite.com/FTA-Learning-Center/FTA-Master-Channel-List
And, quote "Purchase one of the recommended satellite packages below
...". You typically need a large expensive dish. Neighbors have those
but they sure are not cheap. Also, you get a full day's worth of
exercise digging a foundation, mixing concrete for that, and all this
fun stuff.


A full day? I've put up entire C-band systems in a couple hours.
Most of that spent making sure the pipe is absolutely vertical, so the
polar mount will track.

"Joerg" <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:8dnj3iFjq7U1_at_mid.individual.net...
And, quote "Purchase one of the recommended satellite packages below
...". You typically need a large expensive dish. Neighbors have those
but they sure are not cheap.

If you drive out into the countryside a bit you can often find people
who'll *give* you a Big Ugly Dish (BUD), having changed over to Dish
Network or DirectTV (with their 18" dishes) years back but not wanting
the hassle of removing the BUD.

Granted, you might need a new LNB...

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
? Joerg wrote:
?? Michael A. Terrell wrote:
??? Joerg wrote:
???? Jan Panteltje wrote:
????? Only thing I can say about it is that I love satellite.
????? With many many free programs here in Europe I guess we are spoiled.
???? In the US we do not have free satellite
???
??? There is, but it's slim pickings.
???
??? ?http://www.gosatellite.com/FTA-Learning-Center/FTA-Master-Channel-List?
?? And, quote "Purchase one of the recommended satellite packages below
?? ...". You typically need a large expensive dish. Neighbors have those
?? but they sure are not cheap. Also, you get a full day's worth of
?? exercise digging a foundation, mixing concrete for that, and all this
?? fun stuff.
?
?
? A full day? I've put up entire C-band systems in a couple hours.
? Most of that spent making sure the pipe is absolutely vertical, so the
? polar mount will track.
?

Ok, come out here with your favorite shovel and try. Frustration is
guaranteed to set in within 15 minutes. Oh, and bring a drill, some
dynamite, a blasting permit (which you likely won't get), a frontloader,
and preferably also someone who can use all that rock you are going to
pull out

Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
? Joerg wrote:
?? Michael A. Terrell wrote:
??? Joerg wrote:
???? Jan Panteltje wrote:
????? Only thing I can say about it is that I love satellite.
????? With many many free programs here in Europe I guess we are spoiled.
???? In the US we do not have free satellite
???
??? There is, but it's slim pickings.
???
??? ?http://www.gosatellite.com/FTA-Learning-Center/FTA-Master-Channel-List?
?? And, quote "Purchase one of the recommended satellite packages below
?? ...". You typically need a large expensive dish. Neighbors have those
?? but they sure are not cheap. Also, you get a full day's worth of
?? exercise digging a foundation, mixing concrete for that, and all this
?? fun stuff.
?
?
? A full day? I've put up entire C-band systems in a couple hours.
? Most of that spent making sure the pipe is absolutely vertical, so the
? polar mount will track.
?

Ok, come out here with your favorite shovel and try. Frustration is
guaranteed to set in within 15 minutes. Oh, and bring a drill, some
dynamite, a blasting permit (which you likely won't get), a frontloader,
and preferably also someone who can use all that rock you are going to
pull out :-)


You can't afford me. ...

... If there is that much large rock, you clean it
off and set a form to pour concrete on top. Weld crossbars on the
bottom of the pipe that sit on the rock, and hold it in position while
you fill the form. Set some anchors in the corners of the pad and use
aircraft grade steel cable to keep the pipe in alignment.

I'm familiar with using explosives to set power poles. Almost every
power or telephone pole around Cincinnati was set that way, and were
tagged as R.I.P.

How would you like to put in a 130' tower that used six cement trucks
to pour the footings, and a crane to put up on the side of a hill and no
access road? To get permission from the FCC, FAA, and the EPA?

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
? Joerg wrote:
?? Michael A. Terrell wrote:
??? Joerg wrote:
???? Jan Panteltje wrote:
????? Only thing I can say about it is that I love satellite.
????? With many many free programs here in Europe I guess we are spoiled.
???? In the US we do not have free satellite
???
??? There is, but it's slim pickings.
???
??? ?http://www.gosatellite.com/FTA-Learning-Center/FTA-Master-Channel-List?
?? And, quote "Purchase one of the recommended satellite packages below
?? ...". You typically need a large expensive dish. Neighbors have those
?? but they sure are not cheap. Also, you get a full day's worth of
?? exercise digging a foundation, mixing concrete for that, and all this
?? fun stuff.
?
?
? A full day? I've put up entire C-band systems in a couple hours.
? Most of that spent making sure the pipe is absolutely vertical, so the
? polar mount will track.
?

Ok, come out here with your favorite shovel and try. Frustration is
guaranteed to set in within 15 minutes. Oh, and bring a drill, some
dynamite, a blasting permit (which you likely won't get), a frontloader,
and preferably also someone who can use all that rock you are going to
pull out :-)


You can't afford me. ...

How do you know ?

... If there is that much large rock, you clean it
off and set a form to pour concrete on top. Weld crossbars on the
bottom of the pipe that sit on the rock, and hold it in position while
you fill the form. Set some anchors in the corners of the pad and use
aircraft grade steel cable to keep the pipe in alignment.


You must not be married then. That would have an extremely low WAF.

I'm familiar with using explosives to set power poles. Almost every
power or telephone pole around Cincinnati was set that way, and were
tagged as R.I.P.

How would you like to put in a 130' tower that used six cement trucks
to pour the footings, and a crane to put up on the side of a hill and no
access road? To get permission from the FCC, FAA, and the EPA?


I'd develop a back pain just thinking about that ;-)

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

... If there is that much large rock, you clean it
off and set a form to pour concrete on top. Weld crossbars on the
bottom of the pipe that sit on the rock, and hold it in position while
you fill the form. Set some anchors in the corners of the pad and use
aircraft grade steel cable to keep the pipe in alignment.

You must not be married then. That would have an extremely low WAF.


That would depend on how much TV she watches. The woman I bought
this house from refused to let her husband put in a C-band system. He
died a couple years later. I think he was fed up with the nagging and
just gave up on everything. :(

Not all women object to things like that, anyway.

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
? Joerg wrote:
?? Michael A. Terrell wrote:

[...]

??? ... If there is that much large rock, you clean it
??? off and set a form to pour concrete on top. Weld crossbars on the
??? bottom of the pipe that sit on the rock, and hold it in position while
??? you fill the form. Set some anchors in the corners of the pad and use
??? aircraft grade steel cable to keep the pipe in alignment.
???
?? You must not be married then. That would have an extremely low WAF.
?
?
? That would depend on how much TV she watches. The woman I bought
? this house from refused to let her husband put in a C-band system. He
? died a couple years later. I think he was fed up with the nagging and
? just gave up on everything.
?
? Not all women object to things like that, anyway.
?

I'd rather be married to one that does :-)

She is pretty much a country girl by now. But when I broached the idea
of installing a swamp cooler she looked a bit shocked and said "But not
like at so-and-so's house!". A bachelor, who just plopped the thing onto
the patio, snaked a garden hose clear across the deck, cut a crude
square out of the porch screen, and that was his "installation". The
dump valve, well, that just let it all splatter 15ft down and kick up
some soil.

Joerg wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
? Joerg wrote:
?? Michael A. Terrell wrote:
??? Joerg wrote:
???? Jan Panteltje wrote:
????? Only thing I can say about it is that I love satellite.
????? With many many free programs here in Europe I guess we are spoiled.
???? In the US we do not have free satellite
???
??? There is, but it's slim pickings.
???
??? ?http://www.gosatellite.com/FTA-Learning-Center/FTA-Master-Channel-List?
?? And, quote "Purchase one of the recommended satellite packages below
?? ...". You typically need a large expensive dish. Neighbors have those
?? but they sure are not cheap. Also, you get a full day's worth of
?? exercise digging a foundation, mixing concrete for that, and all this
?? fun stuff.
?
?
? A full day? I've put up entire C-band systems in a couple hours.
? Most of that spent making sure the pipe is absolutely vertical, so the
? polar mount will track.
?

Ok, come out here with your favorite shovel and try. Frustration is
guaranteed to set in within 15 minutes. Oh, and bring a drill, some
dynamite, a blasting permit (which you likely won't get), a frontloader,
and preferably also someone who can use all that rock you are going to
pull out :-)


You can't afford me. If there is that much large rock, you clean it
off and set a form to pour concrete on top. Weld crossbars on the
bottom of the pipe that sit on the rock, and hold it in position while
you fill the form. Set some anchors in the corners of the pad and use
aircraft grade steel cable to keep the pipe in alignment.

I'm familiar with using explosives to set power poles. Almost every
power or telephone pole around Cincinnati was set that way, and were
tagged as R.I.P.

How would you like to put in a 130' tower that used six cement trucks
to pour the footings, and a crane to put up on the side of a hill and no
access road? To get permission from the FCC, FAA, and the EPA?

How would you like to put in a 130' tower that used six cement trucks
to pour the footings, and a crane to put up on the side of a hill and no
access road?

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:26:37 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:


Joerg wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
? Joerg wrote:
?? Michael A. Terrell wrote:
??? Joerg wrote:
???? Jan Panteltje wrote:
????? Only thing I can say about it is that I love satellite.
????? With many many free programs here in Europe I guess we are spoiled.
???? In the US we do not have free satellite
???
??? There is, but it's slim pickings.
???
??? ?http://www.gosatellite.com/FTA-Learning-Center/FTA-Master-Channel-List?
?? And, quote "Purchase one of the recommended satellite packages below
?? ...". You typically need a large expensive dish. Neighbors have those
?? but they sure are not cheap. Also, you get a full day's worth of
?? exercise digging a foundation, mixing concrete for that, and all this
?? fun stuff.
?
?
? A full day? I've put up entire C-band systems in a couple hours.
? Most of that spent making sure the pipe is absolutely vertical, so the
? polar mount will track.
?

Ok, come out here with your favorite shovel and try. Frustration is
guaranteed to set in within 15 minutes. Oh, and bring a drill, some
dynamite, a blasting permit (which you likely won't get), a frontloader,
and preferably also someone who can use all that rock you are going to
pull out :-)


You can't afford me. If there is that much large rock, you clean it
off and set a form to pour concrete on top. Weld crossbars on the
bottom of the pipe that sit on the rock, and hold it in position while
you fill the form. Set some anchors in the corners of the pad and use
aircraft grade steel cable to keep the pipe in alignment.

I'm familiar with using explosives to set power poles. Almost every
power or telephone pole around Cincinnati was set that way, and were
tagged as R.I.P.

How would you like to put in a 130' tower that used six cement trucks
to pour the footings, and a crane to put up on the side of a hill and no
access road? To get permission from the FCC, FAA, and the EPA?

Crickets! Did you have to put Nav warning lights on it as well?

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:26:37 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

How would you like to put in a 130' tower that used six cement trucks
to pour the footings, and a crane to put up on the side of a hill and no
access road?

How were you expected to get the shack and equipment in there?