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JosephKK
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:01 pm
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 02:38:33 -0600, "Tim Williams" <tmoranwms_at_charter.net> wrote:
Quote:
"D from BC" <myrealaddress_at_comic.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.25fe15b2f5ead99e9896d2_at_209.197.12.12...
Does that apply to all solders?
Is there a type of solder that takes a longer time to cold flow?
Silver solder?
Silver solder is actually a braze, and as such you will have no insulation
left on the wire after brazing it. It's made of similar metals as the wire,
so it won't cold flow, not at this temperature anyway.
Tim
news:MPG.25fe15b2f5ead99e9896d2_at_209.197.12.12...
Does that apply to all solders?
Is there a type of solder that takes a longer time to cold flow?
Silver solder?
Silver solder is actually a braze, and as such you will have no insulation
left on the wire after brazing it. It's made of similar metals as the wire,
so it won't cold flow, not at this temperature anyway.
Tim
Many people here would more likely be talking pb63, sn35, ag2 rather than braze
material.
JosephKK
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:06 pm
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:06:56 -0700, D Yuniskis <not.going.to.be_at_seen.com> wrote:
Quote:
D from BC wrote:
Is it ok to solder the tips of stranded wire before inserting into a
terminal block?
I like soldering the tips so that there's no wire fraying or free
strands.
But...Does the solder slowly compress after awhile and the wire gets
loose?
If you are going to put a (bare) wire under a screw, put that
*bare* wire under the screw. Don't "tin" it.
I think there are even some safety regulations that directly
address this issue (?)
Is it ok to solder the tips of stranded wire before inserting into a
terminal block?
I like soldering the tips so that there's no wire fraying or free
strands.
But...Does the solder slowly compress after awhile and the wire gets
loose?
If you are going to put a (bare) wire under a screw, put that
*bare* wire under the screw. Don't "tin" it.
I think there are even some safety regulations that directly
address this issue (?)
Not that i have heard of. What i am seeing is terminal blocks, switches,
and other wiring devices that are rated for use with stranded wire.
Quote:
Sure I could perhaps a crimp on pin terminals to stick in the terminal
block.
Ex:
http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/sd/192110001_sd.pdf
I'm afraid I'll have to buy a ridiculously priced crimping tool that'll
get used a few times and then be forgotten. :(
Tim Williams
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:18 pm
"JosephKK" <quiettechblue_at_yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Silver solder?
Silver solder is actually a braze ..
Many people here would more likely be talking pb63, sn35, ag2 rather than
braze material.
Silver solder is actually a braze ..
Many people here would more likely be talking pb63, sn35, ag2 rather than
braze material.
Unfortuantely. That stuff is properly called silver-*bearing* solder, and
is a regular soft solder.
Tim
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JosephKK
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:19 pm
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:06:01 -0700, D Yuniskis <not.going.to.be_at_seen.com> wrote:
Quote:
Hi John,
John Fields wrote:
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:07:14 -0700, D Yuniskis
not.going.to.be_at_seen.com> wrote:
Hi Joe,
J.A. Legris wrote:
On Mar 8, 2:33 pm, D Yuniskis <not.going.to...@seen.com> wrote:
keith...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 8, 12:15 pm, D Yuniskis <not.going.to...@seen.com> wrote:
nospam wrote:
[hmmm... that begs the question: what term to use
to refer to describe the "side" (direction) that you
turn *into*? E.g., what I have called "right" in
this example]
The side into the wind would be "windward" side, so the other side
would be "leeward".
wise *ss! :
My question is serious: how do you refer to the "clockwise
side" of something? etc.
CW to the right, CCW to the left. In 2-D algebraic geometry CW is
negative angular displacement and CCW is positive.
Yes, I know CW from CCW. :
What I was getting at is how do you concisely (ha! me and concise,
what an idea! :> ) refer to the situation I was describing above.
I.e., you wrap a wire around a screw/post clockwise so that
tightening the screw draws the wire around the screw *with*
the screw's motion. How do you describe the "initial placement"
of said wire? I.e., it wants to be "to the left" <frown
of the post (but left and right have no meaning in this
context; and clockwise/counterclockwise only refer to
the direction in which you *wrap* the wire -- not *place* it!)
For example, placing the wire such that tightening the
screw *frays* the individual strands is A Bad Thing.
How do you refer to the "side" of the screw that causes
this result? (without saying "wrap the wire around the post
in a clockwise manner" -- since some wires are NOT
wrapped around a post ... e.g. solid wire that under some
sorts of connectors)
---
Since a normally-threaded screw is turned clockwise to tighten it, the
correct wire placement would always be on the left hand (port) side of
the screw when viewing it from the headed side of the screw.
No, you're still missing the distinction! The direction the wire
*approaches* the screw from plays a role. E.g., Red Right Return
is different from Red Right Depart! :
So, you have to think in terms of the tip of the wire in
relationship to the balance of the wire. I.e., if you are standing
at the tip WITH THE REST OF THE WIRE BEHIND YOU, then your approach
to the screw would keep *it* on your right. If, OTOH, you were
standing at the tip with the balance of the wire IN FRONT of you,
then you would keep the screw on your left.
Or, from your analogy, whether the wire approaches you (standing
on the head of the screw) "head on" or creeps up on you from behind.
There are two references here -- how you refer to the wire
and how you refer to the screw (post).
Think of how you would explain this to "a guy off the street"
(not someone in s.e.d)
John Fields wrote:
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:07:14 -0700, D Yuniskis
not.going.to.be_at_seen.com> wrote:
Hi Joe,
J.A. Legris wrote:
On Mar 8, 2:33 pm, D Yuniskis <not.going.to...@seen.com> wrote:
keith...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 8, 12:15 pm, D Yuniskis <not.going.to...@seen.com> wrote:
nospam wrote:
[hmmm... that begs the question: what term to use
to refer to describe the "side" (direction) that you
turn *into*? E.g., what I have called "right" in
this example]
The side into the wind would be "windward" side, so the other side
would be "leeward".
wise *ss! :
My question is serious: how do you refer to the "clockwise
side" of something? etc.
CW to the right, CCW to the left. In 2-D algebraic geometry CW is
negative angular displacement and CCW is positive.
Yes, I know CW from CCW. :
What I was getting at is how do you concisely (ha! me and concise,
what an idea! :> ) refer to the situation I was describing above.
I.e., you wrap a wire around a screw/post clockwise so that
tightening the screw draws the wire around the screw *with*
the screw's motion. How do you describe the "initial placement"
of said wire? I.e., it wants to be "to the left" <frown
of the post (but left and right have no meaning in this
context; and clockwise/counterclockwise only refer to
the direction in which you *wrap* the wire -- not *place* it!)
For example, placing the wire such that tightening the
screw *frays* the individual strands is A Bad Thing.
How do you refer to the "side" of the screw that causes
this result? (without saying "wrap the wire around the post
in a clockwise manner" -- since some wires are NOT
wrapped around a post ... e.g. solid wire that under some
sorts of connectors)
---
Since a normally-threaded screw is turned clockwise to tighten it, the
correct wire placement would always be on the left hand (port) side of
the screw when viewing it from the headed side of the screw.
No, you're still missing the distinction! The direction the wire
*approaches* the screw from plays a role. E.g., Red Right Return
is different from Red Right Depart! :
So, you have to think in terms of the tip of the wire in
relationship to the balance of the wire. I.e., if you are standing
at the tip WITH THE REST OF THE WIRE BEHIND YOU, then your approach
to the screw would keep *it* on your right. If, OTOH, you were
standing at the tip with the balance of the wire IN FRONT of you,
then you would keep the screw on your left.
Or, from your analogy, whether the wire approaches you (standing
on the head of the screw) "head on" or creeps up on you from behind.
There are two references here -- how you refer to the wire
and how you refer to the screw (post).
Think of how you would explain this to "a guy off the street"
(not someone in s.e.d)
Since you do not like JL's description how about threadwards? It
goes around the screw the same direction the screw goes into the
terminal.
GoldIntermetallicEmbrittl
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:20 pm
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:01:14 -0800, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue_at_yahoo.com>
wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 02:38:33 -0600, "Tim Williams" <tmoranwms_at_charter.net> wrote:
"D from BC" <myrealaddress_at_comic.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.25fe15b2f5ead99e9896d2_at_209.197.12.12...
Does that apply to all solders?
Is there a type of solder that takes a longer time to cold flow?
Silver solder?
Silver solder is actually a braze, and as such you will have no insulation
left on the wire after brazing it. It's made of similar metals as the wire,
so it won't cold flow, not at this temperature anyway.
Tim
Many people here would more likely be talking pb63, sn35, ag2 rather than braze
material.
"D from BC" <myrealaddress_at_comic.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.25fe15b2f5ead99e9896d2_at_209.197.12.12...
Does that apply to all solders?
Is there a type of solder that takes a longer time to cold flow?
Silver solder?
Silver solder is actually a braze, and as such you will have no insulation
left on the wire after brazing it. It's made of similar metals as the wire,
so it won't cold flow, not at this temperature anyway.
Tim
Many people here would more likely be talking pb63, sn35, ag2 rather than braze
material.
No one in the electronics industry tins wires with silver solder (or
braze for that matter)
In other words, yet more utter stupidity.
Archimedes' Lever
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:21 pm
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:06:22 -0800, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue_at_yahoo.com>
wrote:
Quote:
Not that i have heard of. What i am seeing is terminal blocks, switches,
and other wiring devices that are rated for use with stranded wire.
and other wiring devices that are rated for use with stranded wire.
Not that your petty experiences would have you ever experiencing the
industry correctly.
D Yuniskis
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Guest
Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:19 pm
Hi Joseph,
JosephKK wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:06:01 -0700, D Yuniskis <not.going.to.be_at_seen.com> wrote:
Hi John,
John Fields wrote:
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:07:14 -0700, D Yuniskis
not.going.to.be_at_seen.com> wrote:
Hi Joe,
J.A. Legris wrote:
On Mar 8, 2:33 pm, D Yuniskis <not.going.to...@seen.com> wrote:
keith...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 8, 12:15 pm, D Yuniskis <not.going.to...@seen.com> wrote:
nospam wrote:
[hmmm... that begs the question: what term to use
to refer to describe the "side" (direction) that you
turn *into*? E.g., what I have called "right" in
this example]
The side into the wind would be "windward" side, so the other side
would be "leeward".
wise *ss! :
My question is serious: how do you refer to the "clockwise
side" of something? etc.
CW to the right, CCW to the left. In 2-D algebraic geometry CW is
negative angular displacement and CCW is positive.
Yes, I know CW from CCW. :
What I was getting at is how do you concisely (ha! me and concise,
what an idea! :> ) refer to the situation I was describing above.
I.e., you wrap a wire around a screw/post clockwise so that
tightening the screw draws the wire around the screw *with*
the screw's motion. How do you describe the "initial placement"
of said wire? I.e., it wants to be "to the left" <frown
of the post (but left and right have no meaning in this
context; and clockwise/counterclockwise only refer to
the direction in which you *wrap* the wire -- not *place* it!)
For example, placing the wire such that tightening the
screw *frays* the individual strands is A Bad Thing.
How do you refer to the "side" of the screw that causes
this result? (without saying "wrap the wire around the post
in a clockwise manner" -- since some wires are NOT
wrapped around a post ... e.g. solid wire that under some
sorts of connectors)
---
Since a normally-threaded screw is turned clockwise to tighten it, the
correct wire placement would always be on the left hand (port) side of
the screw when viewing it from the headed side of the screw.
No, you're still missing the distinction! The direction the wire
*approaches* the screw from plays a role. E.g., Red Right Return
is different from Red Right Depart! :
So, you have to think in terms of the tip of the wire in
relationship to the balance of the wire. I.e., if you are standing
at the tip WITH THE REST OF THE WIRE BEHIND YOU, then your approach
to the screw would keep *it* on your right. If, OTOH, you were
standing at the tip with the balance of the wire IN FRONT of you,
then you would keep the screw on your left.
Or, from your analogy, whether the wire approaches you (standing
on the head of the screw) "head on" or creeps up on you from behind.
There are two references here -- how you refer to the wire
and how you refer to the screw (post).
Think of how you would explain this to "a guy off the street"
(not someone in s.e.d)
Since you do not like JL's description how about threadwards? It
goes around the screw the same direction the screw goes into the
terminal.
Hi John,
John Fields wrote:
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:07:14 -0700, D Yuniskis
not.going.to.be_at_seen.com> wrote:
Hi Joe,
J.A. Legris wrote:
On Mar 8, 2:33 pm, D Yuniskis <not.going.to...@seen.com> wrote:
keith...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 8, 12:15 pm, D Yuniskis <not.going.to...@seen.com> wrote:
nospam wrote:
[hmmm... that begs the question: what term to use
to refer to describe the "side" (direction) that you
turn *into*? E.g., what I have called "right" in
this example]
The side into the wind would be "windward" side, so the other side
would be "leeward".
wise *ss! :
My question is serious: how do you refer to the "clockwise
side" of something? etc.
CW to the right, CCW to the left. In 2-D algebraic geometry CW is
negative angular displacement and CCW is positive.
Yes, I know CW from CCW. :
What I was getting at is how do you concisely (ha! me and concise,
what an idea! :> ) refer to the situation I was describing above.
I.e., you wrap a wire around a screw/post clockwise so that
tightening the screw draws the wire around the screw *with*
the screw's motion. How do you describe the "initial placement"
of said wire? I.e., it wants to be "to the left" <frown
of the post (but left and right have no meaning in this
context; and clockwise/counterclockwise only refer to
the direction in which you *wrap* the wire -- not *place* it!)
For example, placing the wire such that tightening the
screw *frays* the individual strands is A Bad Thing.
How do you refer to the "side" of the screw that causes
this result? (without saying "wrap the wire around the post
in a clockwise manner" -- since some wires are NOT
wrapped around a post ... e.g. solid wire that under some
sorts of connectors)
---
Since a normally-threaded screw is turned clockwise to tighten it, the
correct wire placement would always be on the left hand (port) side of
the screw when viewing it from the headed side of the screw.
No, you're still missing the distinction! The direction the wire
*approaches* the screw from plays a role. E.g., Red Right Return
is different from Red Right Depart! :
So, you have to think in terms of the tip of the wire in
relationship to the balance of the wire. I.e., if you are standing
at the tip WITH THE REST OF THE WIRE BEHIND YOU, then your approach
to the screw would keep *it* on your right. If, OTOH, you were
standing at the tip with the balance of the wire IN FRONT of you,
then you would keep the screw on your left.
Or, from your analogy, whether the wire approaches you (standing
on the head of the screw) "head on" or creeps up on you from behind.
There are two references here -- how you refer to the wire
and how you refer to the screw (post).
Think of how you would explain this to "a guy off the street"
(not someone in s.e.d)
Since you do not like JL's description how about threadwards? It
goes around the screw the same direction the screw goes into the
terminal.
Ah, that's good. Still has ties to CW but it's different enough
to force people to think about it -- instead of blindly assuming
they know what it means. I am always amazed at how often I see
people doing this "the wrong way" -- even folks who *should* know
better (EE's, electricians, etc.)
D Yuniskis
Guest
Guest
Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:05 pm
JosephKK wrote:
Quote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:06:56 -0700, D Yuniskis <not.going.to.be_at_seen.com> wrote:
D from BC wrote:
Is it ok to solder the tips of stranded wire before inserting into a
terminal block?
I like soldering the tips so that there's no wire fraying or free
strands.
But...Does the solder slowly compress after awhile and the wire gets
loose?
If you are going to put a (bare) wire under a screw, put that
*bare* wire under the screw. Don't "tin" it.
I think there are even some safety regulations that directly
address this issue (?)
Not that i have heard of. What i am seeing is terminal blocks, switches,
and other wiring devices that are rated for use with stranded wire.
D from BC wrote:
Is it ok to solder the tips of stranded wire before inserting into a
terminal block?
I like soldering the tips so that there's no wire fraying or free
strands.
But...Does the solder slowly compress after awhile and the wire gets
loose?
If you are going to put a (bare) wire under a screw, put that
*bare* wire under the screw. Don't "tin" it.
I think there are even some safety regulations that directly
address this issue (?)
Not that i have heard of. What i am seeing is terminal blocks, switches,
and other wiring devices that are rated for use with stranded wire.
I know that IBM didn't let us do it when we were sub'ing work from
them. IME, that usually meant there was wither some written
standard (that they were complying with) *or* they had determined
(not just opined) that it was A Bad Thing.
JosephKK
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:28 pm
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:19:34 -0700, D Yuniskis <not.going.to.be_at_seen.com> wrote:
Quote:
Hi Joseph,
JosephKK wrote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:06:01 -0700, D Yuniskis <not.going.to.be_at_seen.com> wrote:
Hi John,
John Fields wrote:
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:07:14 -0700, D Yuniskis
not.going.to.be_at_seen.com> wrote:
Hi Joe,
J.A. Legris wrote:
On Mar 8, 2:33 pm, D Yuniskis <not.going.to...@seen.com> wrote:
keith...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 8, 12:15 pm, D Yuniskis <not.going.to...@seen.com> wrote:
nospam wrote:
[hmmm... that begs the question: what term to use
to refer to describe the "side" (direction) that you
turn *into*? E.g., what I have called "right" in
this example]
The side into the wind would be "windward" side, so the other side
would be "leeward".
wise *ss! :
My question is serious: how do you refer to the "clockwise
side" of something? etc.
CW to the right, CCW to the left. In 2-D algebraic geometry CW is
negative angular displacement and CCW is positive.
Yes, I know CW from CCW. :
What I was getting at is how do you concisely (ha! me and concise,
what an idea! :> ) refer to the situation I was describing above.
I.e., you wrap a wire around a screw/post clockwise so that
tightening the screw draws the wire around the screw *with*
the screw's motion. How do you describe the "initial placement"
of said wire? I.e., it wants to be "to the left" <frown
of the post (but left and right have no meaning in this
context; and clockwise/counterclockwise only refer to
the direction in which you *wrap* the wire -- not *place* it!)
For example, placing the wire such that tightening the
screw *frays* the individual strands is A Bad Thing.
How do you refer to the "side" of the screw that causes
this result? (without saying "wrap the wire around the post
in a clockwise manner" -- since some wires are NOT
wrapped around a post ... e.g. solid wire that under some
sorts of connectors)
---
Since a normally-threaded screw is turned clockwise to tighten it, the
correct wire placement would always be on the left hand (port) side of
the screw when viewing it from the headed side of the screw.
No, you're still missing the distinction! The direction the wire
*approaches* the screw from plays a role. E.g., Red Right Return
is different from Red Right Depart! :
So, you have to think in terms of the tip of the wire in
relationship to the balance of the wire. I.e., if you are standing
at the tip WITH THE REST OF THE WIRE BEHIND YOU, then your approach
to the screw would keep *it* on your right. If, OTOH, you were
standing at the tip with the balance of the wire IN FRONT of you,
then you would keep the screw on your left.
Or, from your analogy, whether the wire approaches you (standing
on the head of the screw) "head on" or creeps up on you from behind.
There are two references here -- how you refer to the wire
and how you refer to the screw (post).
Think of how you would explain this to "a guy off the street"
(not someone in s.e.d)
Since you do not like JL's description how about threadwards? It
goes around the screw the same direction the screw goes into the
terminal.
Ah, that's good. Still has ties to CW but it's different enough
to force people to think about it -- instead of blindly assuming
they know what it means. I am always amazed at how often I see
people doing this "the wrong way" -- even folks who *should* know
better (EE's, electricians, etc.)
JosephKK wrote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:06:01 -0700, D Yuniskis <not.going.to.be_at_seen.com> wrote:
Hi John,
John Fields wrote:
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:07:14 -0700, D Yuniskis
not.going.to.be_at_seen.com> wrote:
Hi Joe,
J.A. Legris wrote:
On Mar 8, 2:33 pm, D Yuniskis <not.going.to...@seen.com> wrote:
keith...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 8, 12:15 pm, D Yuniskis <not.going.to...@seen.com> wrote:
nospam wrote:
[hmmm... that begs the question: what term to use
to refer to describe the "side" (direction) that you
turn *into*? E.g., what I have called "right" in
this example]
The side into the wind would be "windward" side, so the other side
would be "leeward".
wise *ss! :
My question is serious: how do you refer to the "clockwise
side" of something? etc.
CW to the right, CCW to the left. In 2-D algebraic geometry CW is
negative angular displacement and CCW is positive.
Yes, I know CW from CCW. :
What I was getting at is how do you concisely (ha! me and concise,
what an idea! :> ) refer to the situation I was describing above.
I.e., you wrap a wire around a screw/post clockwise so that
tightening the screw draws the wire around the screw *with*
the screw's motion. How do you describe the "initial placement"
of said wire? I.e., it wants to be "to the left" <frown
of the post (but left and right have no meaning in this
context; and clockwise/counterclockwise only refer to
the direction in which you *wrap* the wire -- not *place* it!)
For example, placing the wire such that tightening the
screw *frays* the individual strands is A Bad Thing.
How do you refer to the "side" of the screw that causes
this result? (without saying "wrap the wire around the post
in a clockwise manner" -- since some wires are NOT
wrapped around a post ... e.g. solid wire that under some
sorts of connectors)
---
Since a normally-threaded screw is turned clockwise to tighten it, the
correct wire placement would always be on the left hand (port) side of
the screw when viewing it from the headed side of the screw.
No, you're still missing the distinction! The direction the wire
*approaches* the screw from plays a role. E.g., Red Right Return
is different from Red Right Depart! :
So, you have to think in terms of the tip of the wire in
relationship to the balance of the wire. I.e., if you are standing
at the tip WITH THE REST OF THE WIRE BEHIND YOU, then your approach
to the screw would keep *it* on your right. If, OTOH, you were
standing at the tip with the balance of the wire IN FRONT of you,
then you would keep the screw on your left.
Or, from your analogy, whether the wire approaches you (standing
on the head of the screw) "head on" or creeps up on you from behind.
There are two references here -- how you refer to the wire
and how you refer to the screw (post).
Think of how you would explain this to "a guy off the street"
(not someone in s.e.d)
Since you do not like JL's description how about threadwards? It
goes around the screw the same direction the screw goes into the
terminal.
Ah, that's good. Still has ties to CW but it's different enough
to force people to think about it -- instead of blindly assuming
they know what it means. I am always amazed at how often I see
people doing this "the wrong way" -- even folks who *should* know
better (EE's, electricians, etc.)
It was selected to help support cases of (uncommon) LH threaded screws.
Michael A. Terrell
Guest
Guest
Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:57 am
JW wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:18:15 -0800 Archimedes' Lever
OneBigLever_at_InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in Message id:
oraep5ttibmn10hdd994c7eakh2gtds239_at_4ax.com>:
This group is full of dolts and idiots.
I'll say.
'dolts and idiots'
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:14 am
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:08:03 -0800, D from BC <myrealaddress_at_comic.com>
wrote:
Quote:
Is it ok to solder the tips of stranded wire before inserting into a
terminal block?
I like soldering the tips so that there's no wire fraying or free
strands.
But...Does the solder slowly compress after awhile and the wire gets
loose?
terminal block?
I like soldering the tips so that there's no wire fraying or free
strands.
But...Does the solder slowly compress after awhile and the wire gets
loose?
In the early 1970's I saw same badly molten mains plugs that had used
soldered stranded wires and a short circuit had occurred on the load
side.
After that, I have never used soldered stranded wires in situations,
in which large currents could (e.g. in a failure situation) flow
through the wire. Apparently some mains wiring standards are against
using solder for this reason too.
For small current conductors, the main problem is the transition
between the soldered and non-soldered part of the wire if there is
some wire movement e.g. due to vibration.
D Yuniskis
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:45 am
Hi Michael,
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Quote:
JW wrote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:18:15 -0800 Archimedes' Lever
OneBigLever_at_InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in Message id:
oraep5ttibmn10hdd994c7eakh2gtds239_at_4ax.com>:
This group is full of dolts and idiots.
I'll say.
'dolts and idiots'
Abbey Somebody <abnormal_at_castlefrankenstein.org
AnimalMagic <AnimalMagic_at_petersbackyard.org
Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLever_at_InfiniteSeries.Org
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:18:15 -0800 Archimedes' Lever
OneBigLever_at_InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in Message id:
oraep5ttibmn10hdd994c7eakh2gtds239_at_4ax.com>:
This group is full of dolts and idiots.
I'll say.
'dolts and idiots'
Abbey Somebody <abnormal_at_castlefrankenstein.org
AnimalMagic <AnimalMagic_at_petersbackyard.org
Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLever_at_InfiniteSeries.Org
AtTheEndofMyRope <AtTheEndofMyRope_at_AtTheEndofMyRope.org
AwlSome Auger <AwlSomeAuger_at_BuyOneGetOneFree.org
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[snip]
You *do* realize many of these are the same idiot ^H^H^H individual?
(at least my filter claims they are)
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:23 am
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:57:32 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:
Quote:
'dolts and idiots'
The author of the post is one. His name is Terrell. His jaw hurts, and
it makes him hate others. He spends time here venting his utter
stupidity.
His last few posts are prime examples of such utter stupidity.
Just fucking DIE already, asswipe!
GoldIntermetallicEmbrittl
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:25 am
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:14:57 +0200, Paul Keinanen <keinanen_at_sci.fi>
wrote:
Quote:
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:08:03 -0800, D from BC <myrealaddress_at_comic.com
wrote:
Is it ok to solder the tips of stranded wire before inserting into a
terminal block?
I like soldering the tips so that there's no wire fraying or free
strands.
But...Does the solder slowly compress after awhile and the wire gets
loose?
In the early 1970's I saw same badly molten mains plugs that had used
soldered stranded wires and a short circuit had occurred on the load
side.
After that, I have never used soldered stranded wires in situations,
in which large currents could (e.g. in a failure situation) flow
through the wire. Apparently some mains wiring standards are against
using solder for this reason too.
For small current conductors, the main problem is the transition
between the soldered and non-soldered part of the wire if there is
some wire movement e.g. due to vibration.
wrote:
Is it ok to solder the tips of stranded wire before inserting into a
terminal block?
I like soldering the tips so that there's no wire fraying or free
strands.
But...Does the solder slowly compress after awhile and the wire gets
loose?
In the early 1970's I saw same badly molten mains plugs that had used
soldered stranded wires and a short circuit had occurred on the load
side.
After that, I have never used soldered stranded wires in situations,
in which large currents could (e.g. in a failure situation) flow
through the wire. Apparently some mains wiring standards are against
using solder for this reason too.
For small current conductors, the main problem is the transition
between the soldered and non-soldered part of the wire if there is
some wire movement e.g. due to vibration.
Solder creep occurs regardless of the current involved in the circuit,
ya dopey ditz.
TheQuickBrownFox
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:29 am
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:45:24 -0700, D Yuniskis <not.going.to.be_at_seen.com>
wrote:
Quote:
Hi Michael,
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
JW wrote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:18:15 -0800 Archimedes' Lever
OneBigLever_at_InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in Message id:
oraep5ttibmn10hdd994c7eakh2gtds239_at_4ax.com>:
This group is full of dolts and idiots.
I'll say.
'dolts and idiots'
Abbey Somebody <abnormal_at_castlefrankenstein.org
AnimalMagic <AnimalMagic_at_petersbackyard.org
Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLever_at_InfiniteSeries.Org
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Bungalow Bill <BugalowBill_at_AbbeyRoad.UKCOM
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[snip]
You *do* realize many of these are the same idiot ^H^H^H individual?
(at least my filter claims they are)
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
JW wrote:
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:18:15 -0800 Archimedes' Lever
OneBigLever_at_InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in Message id:
oraep5ttibmn10hdd994c7eakh2gtds239_at_4ax.com>:
This group is full of dolts and idiots.
I'll say.
'dolts and idiots'
Abbey Somebody <abnormal_at_castlefrankenstein.org
AnimalMagic <AnimalMagic_at_petersbackyard.org
Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLever_at_InfiniteSeries.Org
AtTheEndofMyRope <AtTheEndofMyRope_at_AtTheEndofMyRope.org
AwlSome Auger <AwlSomeAuger_at_BuyOneGetOneFree.org
Bart! <B_at_rt_The_Sheriff_Is_A_Nig**!.org
BigBalls <BiggestBallsOfAll_at_thebigbarattheendoftheuniverse.org
BillyPilgrim <BillyPilgrim_at_thebigbarattheendoftheuniverse.org
Bungalow Bill <BugalowBill_at_AbbeyRoad.UKCOM
Capt. Cave Man <ItIsSoEasyACaveManCanDoIt_at_upyers.org
[snip]
You *do* realize many of these are the same idiot ^H^H^H individual?
(at least my filter claims they are)
You really are not all that bright, you dumb fucktard.
When are you going to issue the challenge to post past your retarded
filters, BOY?
Oh... that's right.. You know that I would succeed! And it would be
100% legal too! MY HOOKS. You wouldn't even catch it. I could post for
a week, and then whop you upside your fat head with it again.
The fact is that NONE of my nyms make ANY attempt at hiding my identity.
So all the "troll" retards, and all the "nymshift" claiming retards can
kiss my 100% legitimate ass.
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