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Franc Zabkar
Guest

Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:25 am   



On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 16:21:35 +1100, "David L. Jones"
<altzone_at_gmail.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

Quote:
The title says it all really.
See what happens when I try to destroy Fluke's new 28-II Multimeter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlA7-fh5nDQ

Dave.

My AUD$3K Fluke PM97 failed from normal use. The batteries wouldn't
hold a charge from day 1, the AC adapter failed after only a short
time, one of the probes failed soon after, and then the meter itself
failed. The service manual was missing the power supply page (maybe
some Fluke/Philips tech used it and forgot to replace it).

One day I'll step on it ... again, and again, and again.

- Franc Zabkar
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William Sommerwerck
Guest

Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:44 am   



Quote:
My AUD$3K Fluke PM97 failed from normal use. The batteries
wouldn't hold a charge from day 1, the AC adapter failed after
only a short time, one of the probes failed soon after, and then
the meter itself failed.

Then why wasn't it repaired/replaced under warranty?

Mark Zacharias
Guest

Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:01 am   



"Jim Yanik" <jyanik_at_abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9D348E9FDCE21jyaniklocalnetcom_at_216.168.3.44...
Quote:
"Mark Zacharias" <mark_zacharias_at_sbclobal.net> wrote in
news:0072e6b7$0$2885$c3e8da3_at_news.astraweb.com:

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje_at_yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hn0430$v62$1_at_news.albasani.net...
On a sunny day (Sun, 7 Mar 2010 16:21:35 +1100) it happened "David L.
Jones"
altzone_at_gmail.com> wrote in <BJGkn.72617$K81.22212_at_newsfe18.iad>:

The title says it all really.
See what happens when I try to destroy Fluke's new 28-II Multimeter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlA7-fh5nDQ


Well, why bother, I have a 5 Euro multimeter,
if it blows I will get an other 5 Euro multimeter.
But it says it is 100% protected.
Why burn so many $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$? Just for the show???
Makes no sense to me.


If you had seen some of his earlier videos, you'd know why. By all
means use your cheaper meter if you like, but there is such a thing
as, "measurement confidence". If your work is important, perhaps with
lots of money or even someone's life potentially at stake, which meter
would I rather rely on? I think the answer is pretty obvious.
I own meters large and small, el cheapos and better ones. But when I
really need to know, right now and with no bullshit, I reach for the
Fluke.

Mark Z.



what's the point of destroying a multimeter?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com


Well, Fluke Australia had given it to him to review, and they said he could
torture test it. The new models 27 and 28 replace the previous models
renowned for their ruggedness, so I think it makes sense.

The 100 foot drop onto concrete left my jaw hanging wide open. Then he did
it AGAIN without the rubber holster...oh, my.

Want to bet they put a little RTV on those inductors in the future?

Mark Z.

Fred Abse
Guest

Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:44 am   



On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 07:42:37 +1100, David L. Jones wrote:

Quote:
Jim Yanik wrote:
"Mark Zacharias" <mark_zacharias_at_sbclobal.net> wrote in
news:0072e6b7$0$2885$c3e8da3_at_news.astraweb.com:

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje_at_yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hn0430$v62$1_at_news.albasani.net...
On a sunny day (Sun, 7 Mar 2010 16:21:35 +1100) it happened "David L.
Jones"
altzone_at_gmail.com> wrote in <BJGkn.72617$K81.22212_at_newsfe18.iad>:

The title says it all really.
See what happens when I try to destroy Fluke's new 28-II Multimeter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlA7-fh5nDQ


Well, why bother, I have a 5 Euro multimeter, if it blows I will get
an other 5 Euro multimeter. But it says it is 100% protected.
Why burn so many $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$? Just for the show??? Makes no sense
to me.


If you had seen some of his earlier videos, you'd know why. By all
means use your cheaper meter if you like, but there is such a thing as,
"measurement confidence". If your work is important, perhaps with lots
of money or even someone's life potentially at stake, which meter would
I rather rely on? I think the answer is pretty obvious. I own meters
large and small, el cheapos and better ones. But when I really need to
know, right now and with no bullshit, I reach for the Fluke.

Mark Z.



what's the point of destroying a multimeter?

Err, it's FUN?

A bit like kicking kittens?

;-)

--
"Electricity is of two kinds, positive and negative. The difference
is, I presume, that one comes a little more expensive, but is more
durable; the other is a cheaper thing, but the moths get into it."
(Stephen Leacock)

David L. Jones
Guest

Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:38 pm   



Mark Zacharias wrote:
Quote:
"Jim Yanik" <jyanik_at_abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9D348E9FDCE21jyaniklocalnetcom_at_216.168.3.44...
"Mark Zacharias" <mark_zacharias_at_sbclobal.net> wrote in
news:0072e6b7$0$2885$c3e8da3_at_news.astraweb.com:

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje_at_yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hn0430$v62$1_at_news.albasani.net...
On a sunny day (Sun, 7 Mar 2010 16:21:35 +1100) it happened "David
L. Jones"
altzone_at_gmail.com> wrote in <BJGkn.72617$K81.22212_at_newsfe18.iad>:

The title says it all really.
See what happens when I try to destroy Fluke's new 28-II
Multimeter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlA7-fh5nDQ


Well, why bother, I have a 5 Euro multimeter,
if it blows I will get an other 5 Euro multimeter.
But it says it is 100% protected.
Why burn so many $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$? Just for the show???
Makes no sense to me.


If you had seen some of his earlier videos, you'd know why. By all
means use your cheaper meter if you like, but there is such a thing
as, "measurement confidence". If your work is important, perhaps
with lots of money or even someone's life potentially at stake,
which meter would I rather rely on? I think the answer is pretty
obvious. I own meters large and small, el cheapos and better ones. But
when I
really need to know, right now and with no bullshit, I reach for the
Fluke.

Mark Z.



what's the point of destroying a multimeter?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com


Well, Fluke Australia had given it to him to review, and they said he
could torture test it. The new models 27 and 28 replace the previous
models renowned for their ruggedness, so I think it makes sense.

Precisely.
The unit isn't just sold as regular multimeter, it is specifically designed
and marketed as a super rugged meter that is designed to survive abuse and
water ingress, just like the original Fluke 25 and 27. If that wasn't the
case you'd just buy the identical model 87V.
So to NOT test those aspects would be a poor review indeed. And then to only
drop it from 3m where I know it's going survive is kinda pointless. So it
makes sense to push it and get a meaningful data point at which it does
actually break.

Quote:
The 100 foot drop onto concrete left my jaw hanging wide open. Then
he did it AGAIN without the rubber holster...oh, my.

My jaw was equally wide open!

Dave.

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Nial Stewart
Guest

Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:54 pm   



Quote:
The title says it all really.
See what happens when I try to destroy Fluke's new 28-II Multimeter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlA7-fh5nDQ
Dave.


Dave,


You should make what was left the prize in a competition.



Nial

Michael A. Terrell
Guest

Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:02 pm   



"David L. Jones" wrote:
Quote:

My jaw was equally wide open!


Watch out for flies! ;-)


--
Greed is the root of all eBay.

Jeff Liebermann
Guest

Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:48 pm   



On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 13:00:05 -0600, Jim Yanik <jyanik_at_abuse.gov>
wrote:

Quote:
what's the point of destroying a multimeter?

Electronic BDSM. There is a small sub-culture of individuals in the
electronics business that is dedicated to torturing test equipment. I
don't pretend to understand the motivation, but there is ample
evidence of it on the authors blog:
<http://www.eevblog.com>
under the thinly disguised cover of "testing". The practice is
apparently widespread, as shown by the condition of used test
equipment found at flea markets and surplus sales.

Unfortunately, electronic BDSM sites are flourishing on the internet.
Many technicians and test equipment users apparently find some
perverse pleasure at watching their daily tools flogged into eWaste.
This must end as the next generation will certainly presume that such
abuse is the normal method of operation. We learn by example and such
sites are certainly a bad example of proper behavior.

While it is socially unacceptable to inflict pain on humans, there is
no such stricture to not do the same to test equipment. I suspect
that the Humane Society will eventually expand its scope to include
test equipment and other devices that are unable to protect themselves
from abuse. Meanwhile, the best I can suggest, to avoid repetition
and possible expansion, is to demand that test equipment be produced
and tested in a non-violent manner.



--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl_at_cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

geoff
Guest

Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:29 pm   



Franc Zabkar wrote:
Quote:
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 16:21:35 +1100, "David L. Jones"
altzone_at_gmail.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

The title says it all really.
See what happens when I try to destroy Fluke's new 28-II Multimeter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlA7-fh5nDQ

Dave.

My AUD$3K Fluke PM97 failed from normal use. The batteries wouldn't
hold a charge from day 1,

And you didn't send it back ?!!

geoff

kreed
Guest

Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:19 am   



On Mar 8, 12:13 am, "Mark Zacharias" <mark_zachar...@sbclobal.net>
wrote:
Quote:
"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:hn0430$v62$1_at_news.albasani.net...

On a sunny day (Sun, 7 Mar 2010 16:21:35 +1100) it happened "David L.
Jones"
altz...@gmail.com> wrote in <BJGkn.72617$K81.22...@newsfe18.iad>:

The title says it all really.
See what happens when I try to destroy Fluke's new 28-II Multimeter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlA7-fh5nDQ

Well, why bother, I have a 5 Euro multimeter,
if it blows I will get an other 5 Euro multimeter.
But it says it is 100% protected.
Why burn so many $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$? Just for the show???
Makes no sense to me.

If you had seen some of his earlier videos, you'd know why. By all means use
your cheaper meter if you like, but there is such a thing as, "measurement
confidence". If your work is important, perhaps with lots of money or even
someone's life potentially at stake, which meter would I rather rely on? I
think the answer is pretty obvious.
I own meters large and small, el cheapos and better ones. But when I really
need to know, right now and with no bullshit, I reach for the Fluke.

Mark Z.


Agree.

I have had a fluke 87 for about 15 years, it has never let me down. It
has survived drops, rough conditions and other abuse that happens in
the trade. The only thing I have ever done is replace the probes once,
and a fuse when I accidentally blew it once - and that is NOT the
meter's fault.
I cannot be stuck with dodgy equipment when I'm on a job 200km from
the workshop. Been there, done that, when I started out many years
ago.

To me, the cost of time and money and goodwill by having to go back
would be excess of the cost of a decent meter.


I wouldn't hesitate to buy another, and Dave's reviews have confirmed
my belief in their products. I can see also where the internal design
has been improved a lot.

Im not just pushing Fluke products either, while I havent used or seen
them, due to industry competition, Im sure that HP, TEK and others
have made comparable quality meters.

kreed
Guest

Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:30 am   



On Mar 9, 12:54 am, "Nial Stewart"
<nial*REMOVE_TH...@nialstewartdevelopments.co.uk> wrote:
Quote:
The title says it all really.
See what happens when I try to destroy Fluke's new 28-II Multimeter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlA7-fh5nDQ
Dave.

Dave,

You should make what was left the prize in a competition.

Nial

Wonder if you could return it under warranty ? Wink

ehsjr
Guest

Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:01 am   



David L. Jones wrote:
Quote:
The title says it all really.
See what happens when I try to destroy Fluke's new 28-II Multimeter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlA7-fh5nDQ

Dave.

Amazing. I doubted the 3M drop spec. Not any more.

Ed

Franc Zabkar
Guest

Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:42 am   



On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 16:44:21 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgeezer_at_comcast.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:

Quote:
My AUD$3K Fluke PM97 failed from normal use. The batteries
wouldn't hold a charge from day 1, the AC adapter failed after
only a short time, one of the probes failed soon after, and then
the meter itself failed.

Then why wasn't it repaired/replaced under warranty?

I bought it in Australia, but I took it to Singapore. I suppose I
could have made the effort to have the batteries replaced, but I
relied on the AC adapter, until it failed.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

JosephKK
Guest

Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:50 pm   



On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 16:21:35 +1100, "David L. Jones" <altzone_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
The title says it all really.
See what happens when I try to destroy Fluke's new 28-II Multimeter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlA7-fh5nDQ

Dave.

More tests beyond specification:

Drive over it with a car.
Drive over it with a heavy truck.
Have good athletes kick it into a concrete wall.
Put it into a cement mixer running for 10 minutes (first dry then with water and finally with concrete).

>Smile)

JosephKK
Guest

Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:59 pm   



On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:48:46 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl_at_cruzio.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 13:00:05 -0600, Jim Yanik <jyanik_at_abuse.gov
wrote:

what's the point of destroying a multimeter?

Electronic BDSM. There is a small sub-culture of individuals in the
electronics business that is dedicated to torturing test equipment. I
don't pretend to understand the motivation, but there is ample
evidence of it on the authors blog:
http://www.eevblog.com
under the thinly disguised cover of "testing". The practice is
apparently widespread, as shown by the condition of used test
equipment found at flea markets and surplus sales.

Unfortunately, electronic BDSM sites are flourishing on the internet.
Many technicians and test equipment users apparently find some
perverse pleasure at watching their daily tools flogged into eWaste.
This must end as the next generation will certainly presume that such
abuse is the normal method of operation. We learn by example and such
sites are certainly a bad example of proper behavior.

While it is socially unacceptable to inflict pain on humans, there is
no such stricture to not do the same to test equipment. I suspect
that the Humane Society will eventually expand its scope to include
test equipment and other devices that are unable to protect themselves
from abuse. Meanwhile, the best I can suggest, to avoid repetition
and possible expansion, is to demand that test equipment be produced
and tested in a non-violent manner.

Well, how do you get around using a reflow oven or some other soldering?

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