Cookies etc.,

Michael A. Terrell
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:37 am

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

Quote:

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:53:04 -0700, the renowned Joerg
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:26:02 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:15:15 -0700,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

Who says cookies can't be evil?

http://online.wsj.com/wtk
Can't you read? Cookies are GOOD for you :-)

Only certain ones. Like the girl scouts mint cookies.

And Oreos, as long as you have milk.

I used to really like Jaffa Cake but I guess only Brits would know what
that is. Super mini cakes so they qualify as cookies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_Cakes

In the Netherlands where I lived at that time they were called Pim's Cake.

These are pretty much my favorite cookie:

http://images.sabob.com/products/images/1/LU_Cookies_Pim_Raspberry_Soft_Biscuits_with_Rapberry_Filling_29_Ounce_Packages_Pack_of.jpeg

Chocolate and rasberry, what's not to like?

Have you ever tried their salt & pepper crackers?

<http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_lbTQAsipMKM/SU1JXfMJw-I/AAAAAAAAAjk/3UavapiDgfA/s1600-h/LU+Salt+%26+Pepper.jpg>

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Michael A. Terrell
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:58 am

m II wrote:

Quote:

JosephKK wrote:

Who says cookies can't be evil?

http://online.wsj.com/wtk

Google will become, if it isn't already, the largest lump of evil ever
seen by mankind. It's already surpassed Microsoft in it's 'Borg' like
behaviour.

I recently installed Adblock plus in my browser. It stopped over 1900
GoogleAnalytics scripts from running, in a three day span.

GoogleAnalytics is used by website owners to track the pages people
visit. They made the choice to put the code into their web pages. It
is a marketing tool that Google bought from another company. I just
stripped all the GoogleAnalytics from one business website. They didn't
use the data, and it slowed down the page loading.

Quote:

That company has spying software everywhere on the Web and it all
reports back to head office.

I no longer use Google for a search engine or Google maps for the
phone GPS. They want to use me for data acquisition? The can pay me
for my time and energy consumption, not sneak around my back taking
notes and pictures.

Try www.ixquick.com for searching. It seems quite sufficient.

mike

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Michael A. Terrell
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:00 am

Joerg wrote:

Quote:

JosephKK wrote:
Who says cookies can't be evil?

http://online.wsj.com/wtk

Just turn'em off. That how it's set up here. Tedious at times because
some electronics companies require cookies but then I can allow on a
case by case basis.

No snooping and tracking here Smile

That's what you think. If a website uses GoogleAnalytics, you are
tracked by the pages you visit, and your IP address.

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enough left over to pay them.

Spehro Pefhany
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:52 am

On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 05:37:51 -0400, the renowned "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:53:04 -0700, the renowned Joerg
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:26:02 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:15:15 -0700,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

Who says cookies can't be evil?

http://online.wsj.com/wtk
Can't you read? Cookies are GOOD for you :-)

Only certain ones. Like the girl scouts mint cookies.

And Oreos, as long as you have milk.

I used to really like Jaffa Cake but I guess only Brits would know what
that is. Super mini cakes so they qualify as cookies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_Cakes

In the Netherlands where I lived at that time they were called Pim's Cake.

These are pretty much my favorite cookie:

http://images.sabob.com/products/images/1/LU_Cookies_Pim_Raspberry_Soft_Biscuits_with_Rapberry_Filling_29_Ounce_Packages_Pack_of.jpeg

Chocolate and rasberry, what's not to like?

Have you ever tried their salt & pepper crackers?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_lbTQAsipMKM/SU1JXfMJw-I/AAAAAAAAAjk/3UavapiDgfA/s1600-h/LU+Salt+%26+Pepper.jpg

We usually get Carr's, are those good?

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Rui Maciel
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:17 pm

JosephKK wrote:

Quote:

Who says cookies can't be evil?

http://online.wsj.com/wtk

If you find cookies to be scary then I suggest that you inform yourself of a new addition to the
WWW called Web Storage, also known as DOM storage.

Basically, Web Storage is a small SQL data base placed in your own HD that any server you contact
is able to access, add and update any information. So, while cookies consist of a small text
string which can be at least 4096 bytes, web storage consists of a full blown RDBMS per domain
that in practice doesn't have any limit set and is free to be accessed by any web server you
happen to access. According to Mozilla:

<quote Mozilla>
DOM Storage is useful because no good browser-only methods exist for persisting reasonable amounts
of data for any period of time. Browser cookies have limited capacity and provide no support for
organizing persisted data, and other methods (such as Flash Local Storage) require an external
plugin.
</quote>

More on:
http://www.w3.org/TR/webstorage/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Storage

Rui Maciel

Rui Maciel
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:22 pm

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Quote:

That's what you think. If a website uses GoogleAnalytics, you are
tracked by the pages you visit, and your IP address.

That's why God made NoScript.

Rui Maciel

Jim Yanik
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:00 pm

Robert Baer <robertbaer_at_localnet.com> wrote in
news:KJGdnYaI76piYODRnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d_at_posted.localnet:

Quote:

JosephKK wrote:
Who says cookies can't be evil?

http://online.wsj.com/wtk

Well, there is the so-called Patriot Act which makes an ASS out of U
and ME - presumes that *everyone* is guilty and no way in hell to prove
otherwise.

that shows us what you know about the Patriot act. NADA.

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jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

m II
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:19 pm

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Quote:

GoogleAnalytics is used by website owners to track the pages people
visit. They made the choice to put the code into their web pages. It
is a marketing tool that Google bought from another company. I just
stripped all the GoogleAnalytics from one business website. They didn't
use the data, and it slowed down the page loading.

Is there some assurance that it doesn't report back to head office?

During this time I also blocked 203 scripts from *oogl*ap, 946 scripts
from *oogl*ads* and 354 scripts from *s.ytimg.*, which seems to run
the spy network for Google on Youtube.

I don't feel I'm being unjustifiably paranoid.

Please forgive the wild cards, they're what I used to make the filters
easier.

mike

Michael A. Terrell
Guest

Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:20 pm

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

Quote:

On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 05:37:51 -0400, the renowned "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:53:04 -0700, the renowned Joerg
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:26:02 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:15:15 -0700,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

Who says cookies can't be evil?

http://online.wsj.com/wtk
Can't you read? Cookies are GOOD for you :-)

Only certain ones. Like the girl scouts mint cookies.

And Oreos, as long as you have milk.

I used to really like Jaffa Cake but I guess only Brits would know what
that is. Super mini cakes so they qualify as cookies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_Cakes

In the Netherlands where I lived at that time they were called Pim's Cake.

These are pretty much my favorite cookie:

http://images.sabob.com/products/images/1/LU_Cookies_Pim_Raspberry_Soft_Biscuits_with_Rapberry_Filling_29_Ounce_Packages_Pack_of.jpeg

Chocolate and rasberry, what's not to like?

Have you ever tried their salt & pepper crackers?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_lbTQAsipMKM/SU1JXfMJw-I/AAAAAAAAAjk/3UavapiDgfA/s1600-h/LU+Salt+%26+Pepper.jpg

We usually get Carr's, are those good?

I've finished off two cases of 24 in the last six months. I just
opened the third case yesterday. I should have bought more than the
five cases when I found them at a liquidator. I was back the next day
and the rest of the pallet was gone. :(

I gave one away, thinking I wouldn't use all of them before they went
stale. The best part was that I only paid $1 a case.

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enough left over to pay them.

m II
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:22 pm

Jim Yanik wrote:

Quote:

Well, there is the so-called Patriot Act which makes an ASS out of U
and ME - presumes that *everyone* is guilty and no way in hell to prove
otherwise.

that shows us what you know about the Patriot act. NADA.

Who are you working for, 'Jim'?

mike

Michael A. Terrell
Guest

Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:39 pm

m II wrote:

Quote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

GoogleAnalytics is used by website owners to track the pages people
visit. They made the choice to put the code into their web pages. It
is a marketing tool that Google bought from another company. I just
stripped all the GoogleAnalytics from one business website. They didn't
use the data, and it slowed down the page loading.

Is there some assurance that it doesn't report back to head office?

During this time I also blocked 203 scripts from *oogl*ap, 946 scripts
from *oogl*ads* and 354 scripts from *s.ytimg.*, which seems to run
the spy network for Google on Youtube.

I don't feel I'm being unjustifiably paranoid.

Please forgive the wild cards, they're what I used to make the filters
easier.

mike

This page uses a javascript to report to Google, but I think some
sites still hard code it so you can't turn it off. I've hit a few sites
that lock you out if javascript is turned off, too.

<script type="text/javascript">
var gaJsHost = (("https:" == document.location.protocol) ?
"https://ssl." : "http://www.");
document.write(unescape("%3Cscript src='" + gaJsHost +
"google-analytics.com/ga.js' type='text/javascript'%3E%3C/script%3E"));
</script>
<script type="text/javascript">
try {
var pageTracker = _gat._getTracker("UA-8740097-1");
pageTracker._trackPageview();
} catch(err) {}</script>
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Joerg
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:43 pm

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

Quote:

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:53:04 -0700, the renowned Joerg
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

krw_at_att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:26:02 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:15:15 -0700,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

Who says cookies can't be evil?

http://online.wsj.com/wtk
Can't you read? Cookies are GOOD for you Smile

Only certain ones. Like the girl scouts mint cookies.
And Oreos, as long as you have milk.

I used to really like Jaffa Cake but I guess only Brits would know what
that is. Super mini cakes so they qualify as cookies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_Cakes

In the Netherlands where I lived at that time they were called Pim's Cake.

These are pretty much my favorite cookie:

http://images.sabob.com/products/images/1/LU_Cookies_Pim_Raspberry_Soft_Biscuits_with_Rapberry_Filling_29_Ounce_Packages_Pack_of.jpeg

Chocolate and rasberry, what's not to like?

Did ya hafta do that? Now I am sitting here all drooling.

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"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

Joerg
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:44 pm

Jim Thompson wrote:

Quote:

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:42:56 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:37:23 -0700, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

JosephKK wrote:
Who says cookies can't be evil?

http://online.wsj.com/wtk

Just turn'em off. That how it's set up here. Tedious at times because
some electronics companies require cookies but then I can allow on a
case by case basis.

No snooping and tracking here Smile

That's what I like about Firefox... trivial to keep the crap out.

The only downside is the non-interactive "allow" process. Site doesn't
load, no error message because the script kiddies assumed everyone has
cookies turned on. Then it's guessing time, type in all sorts of web
site names until one sticks. Ok, at least I have to rarely do it.

Or is there a smarter way?

Do you know HOW to use Firefox ? Smile

Yep, but certainly not all tricks. That why young buck ask old buck :-)

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"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
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Joerg
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:45 pm

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Quote:

Joerg wrote:
JosephKK wrote:
Who says cookies can't be evil?

http://online.wsj.com/wtk

Just turn'em off. That how it's set up here. Tedious at times because
some electronics companies require cookies but then I can allow on a
case by case basis.

No snooping and tracking here :-)

That's what you think. If a website uses GoogleAnalytics, you are
tracked by the pages you visit, and your IP address.

.... which changes all the time in my case. Unless I'd leave the modem on
all day, which I don't. So how can they track me?

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Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

Nobody
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:30 pm

On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 08:19:43 -0600, m II wrote:

Quote:

GoogleAnalytics is used by website owners to track the pages people
visit. They made the choice to put the code into their web pages. It
is a marketing tool that Google bought from another company. I just
stripped all the GoogleAnalytics from one business website. They didn't
use the data, and it slowed down the page loading.

Is there some assurance that it doesn't report back to head office?

The Google Analytics scripts send information back to Google, which then
provides the website operator with aggregate statistics.

http://www.google.com/analytics/

Regarding:

Quote:

That company has spying software everywhere on the Web and it all
reports back to head office.

That's certainly not inaccurate. OTOH, it doesn't matter whether you use
Google as your search engine or not; the code is still on the web sites
which you visit.

FWIW, I browse with JavaScript, cookies and Flash all disabled (I don't
mean "blocked", I mean that the options are simply turned off). If people
want to run programs or store data, they can do it on their own computers.