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Peter Jetson
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Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:07 am   



Seymore4Head wrote:

Quote:
http://smartiesbbs.no-ip.org/

I went to have a look, but the "new user" link if broken.


Looks like this link will get you there

http://smartiesbbs.no-ip.org/cgi-bin/eleweb.exe?action=3&script=new_one

Peter

Big Bad Bob
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Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:02 pm   



On 12/02/17 09:44, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
Quote:
I supposed any Linux distributions could run it?


that's one of the beauties of linux. your distro shouldn't determine
whether or not you can run something designed for Linux [although the
presence or absence of 'devel' packages and/or correct shared lib
versions are another thing entirely]


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Seymore4Head
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Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:25 am   



On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:07:36 +1100, Peter Jetson <usenet_at_jetson.id.au>
wrote:

Quote:
Seymore4Head wrote:

http://smartiesbbs.no-ip.org/

I went to have a look, but the "new user" link if broken.

Looks like this link will get you there

http://smartiesbbs.no-ip.org/cgi-bin/eleweb.exe?action=3&script=new_one

Peter

So I tried it.
It works.
Not much of interest, but it was interesting that it worked so well.


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Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:45 am   



On Sunday, May 10, 2015 at 9:16:12 PM UTC+5:30, Jim Thompson wrote:
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Varistor/MOV Spice Modeling has been updated.

See VaristorMOV.zip on the Device Models & Subcircuits Page of my
website.

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Mr. Man-wai Chang
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:45 pm   



On 8/12/2018 12:50 AM, nospam wrote:
Quote:
In article <pkn432$pvc$1_at_toylet.eternal-september.org>, Mr. Man-wai
Chang <toylet.toylet_at_gmail.com> wrote:


But how do you get a 100% TRUE lossless original? Using good, old
film-based cameras? :)

film is more lossy than digital.


I don't know much about photography films. And you might need to talk
about the size (length x width) as well as the resolution of the senors
and films!

But isn't film molecular level? :)

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nospam
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:45 pm   



In article <pkn4be$rad$1_at_toylet.eternal-september.org>, Mr. Man-wai
Chang <toylet.toylet_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
But how do you get a 100% TRUE lossless original? Using good, old
film-based cameras? :)

film is more lossy than digital.

I don't know much about photography films.


clearly.

Quote:
And you might need to talk
about the size (length x width) as well as the resolution of the senors
and films!


yep.

> But isn't film molecular level? :)

everything is.

Mr. Man-wai Chang
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:45 pm   



On 8/12/2018 1:10 AM, nospam wrote:
Quote:

I don't know much about photography films.

clearly.

And you might need to talk
about the size (length x width) as well as the resolution of the senors
and films!

yep.

But isn't film molecular level? :)

everything is.


Is your claim based on traditional size of film, which is 135?

But why can't we use a bigger film then? Should we always compare 135
film against CMOS sensors of different size?

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nospam
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:45 pm   



In article <pkn5jo$3na$1_at_toylet.eternal-september.org>, Mr. Man-wai
Chang <toylet.toylet_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

I don't know much about photography films.

clearly.

And you might need to talk
about the size (length x width) as well as the resolution of the senors
and films!

yep.

But isn't film molecular level? :)

everything is.

Is your claim based on traditional size of film, which is 135?


size doesn't change anything. film is very lossy and much less accurate
than digital.

> But why can't we use a bigger film then?

we can. there are larger film sizes, namely medium format and large
format, but then you also have to use a larger digital sensor to match.

Quote:
Should we always compare 135
film against CMOS sensors of different size?


always the same size format. otherwise it's not a valid comparison.

Mr. Man-wai Chang
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:45 pm   



On 8/12/2018 2:08 AM, nospam wrote:
Quote:
In article <pkn8cs$lqs$1_at_toylet.eternal-september.org>, Mr. Man-wai
Chang <toylet.toylet_at_gmail.com> wrote:


But how do you determine how close a digital image get to the original
without a reference? You have to have a control as in experiment!

the reference is the original


In a court trial, how do you do that? You cannot take the physical
reality into a court... there is also the time factor. Whatever happened
in reality might not repeat itself before the court.

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default
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:45 pm   



On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 00:54:04 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
<toylet.toylet_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
On 8/12/2018 12:50 AM, nospam wrote:
In article <pkn432$pvc$1_at_toylet.eternal-september.org>, Mr. Man-wai
Chang <toylet.toylet_at_gmail.com> wrote:


But how do you get a 100% TRUE lossless original? Using good, old
film-based cameras? :)

film is more lossy than digital.


I don't know much about photography films. And you might need to talk
about the size (length x width) as well as the resolution of the senors
and films!

But isn't film molecular level? Smile


You'd have to compare the format size of film. 70 mm film is probably
better than most digital cameras can resolve. (excluding some
spacecraft of course)

The slower the film the better the resolution - or that's the way it
worked when I was into the hobby.

John Larkin
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Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:45 am   



On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 00:54:04 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
<toylet.toylet_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
On 8/12/2018 12:50 AM, nospam wrote:
In article <pkn432$pvc$1_at_toylet.eternal-september.org>, Mr. Man-wai
Chang <toylet.toylet_at_gmail.com> wrote:


But how do you get a 100% TRUE lossless original? Using good, old
film-based cameras? :)

film is more lossy than digital.


I don't know much about photography films. And you might need to talk
about the size (length x width) as well as the resolution of the senors
and films!

But isn't film molecular level? Smile


Film is quantized to grain size.



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Mr. Man-wai Chang
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Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:45 am   



On 8/12/2018 1:19 AM, nospam wrote:
Quote:

Should we always compare 135
film against CMOS sensors of different size?

always the same size format. otherwise it's not a valid comparison.


In reality, we just need to do the job right and fair, not about
comparison or superiority!

What if... a big what if.... all CMOS on Earth were fried by solar
storm? Maybe that explained why a man is up there in ISS. :)

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nospam
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Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:45 am   



In article <pko8ri$sc$1_at_toylet.eternal-september.org>, Mr. Man-wai
Chang <toylet.toylet_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

Should we always compare 135
film against CMOS sensors of different size?

always the same size format. otherwise it's not a valid comparison.

In reality, we just need to do the job right and fair, not about
comparison or superiority!


you're the one making comparisons.

Quote:
What if... a big what if.... all CMOS on Earth were fried by solar
storm? Maybe that explained why a man is up there in ISS. Smile


what if you stopped posting rubbish?

Mr. Man-wai Chang
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Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:45 am   



On 8/12/2018 11:22 AM, nospam wrote:
Quote:

In reality, we just need to do the job right and fair, not about
comparison or superiority!

you're the one making comparisons.

What if... a big what if.... all CMOS on Earth were fried by solar
storm? Maybe that explained why a man is up there in ISS. :)

what if you stopped posting rubbish?


Well, calm down... professor!? Let's continue later. :)

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whit3rd
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Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:45 am   



On Saturday, August 11, 2018 at 10:19:37 AM UTC-7, nospam wrote:

Quote:
size doesn't change anything. film is very lossy and much less accurate
than digital.


That's complete nonsense. Film, first, has a few-photons threshold, and
the color film variants have some filter layers (so there is light absorbed other
than by the developable grains). Solid-state sensors have a few photons/sec
background noise, and to get color, you mask with filters a trio of sensors
(each insensitive to colors outside the designed range).

Grain size limits the film resolution, pixel size limits the digital image resolution.

Either technology can match what a human eye sees. Neither is
perfect in any respect, though a digital image can be stored with checksums and
presumably age won't change it. If age DID change one bit of one pixel, though, it'd invalidate
the checksum- some disk drives will refuse to even give you a guess as to what
was stored, when the checksum says it's bad.

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