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Guest

Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:45 pm   



I recently bought an old Eico 955 In circuit capacitor tester. It worked
right away, but I am going to recap it. But there is a problem. The
Calibrated dial knob wont clamp to the shaft. Someone apparently over
tightened the set screw and cracked the part that fits around the 1/4"
shaft. Someone also must have glued it, then broke it again. That only
makes gluing it again a worse option because the old glue is gooped all
over the pieces, so they wont fit together properly anymore.

Finding a replacement is likely not an option.
Knob Part number - Eico 89678

How would you fix this?

I do have one thought. To carefully grind away the entire center part of
that knob with a dremyl tool. Then take a new smallish knob with a set
screw and drill out the 1/4" hole thru to the face of that knob, and use
JB Weld to glue that new knob inside the old one. Of course the set
screw has to line up with the original set screw hole. (there is room
for a small knob inside). I might even have a solid aluminum knob that
will fit in there, but I have to find them....

However, grinding out that center will be tricky and time consuming,
since the new knob needs to be centered very precisely.

John-Del
Guest

Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:45 pm   



On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 2:33:24 PM UTC-5, tub...@myshop.com wrote:
Quote:
I recently bought an old Eico 955 In circuit capacitor tester. It worked
right away, but I am going to recap it. But there is a problem. The
Calibrated dial knob wont clamp to the shaft. Someone apparently over
tightened the set screw and cracked the part that fits around the 1/4"
shaft. Someone also must have glued it, then broke it again. That only
makes gluing it again a worse option because the old glue is gooped all
over the pieces, so they wont fit together properly anymore.

Finding a replacement is likely not an option.
Knob Part number - Eico 89678

How would you fix this?

I do have one thought. To carefully grind away the entire center part of
that knob with a dremyl tool. Then take a new smallish knob with a set
screw and drill out the 1/4" hole thru to the face of that knob, and use
JB Weld to glue that new knob inside the old one. Of course the set
screw has to line up with the original set screw hole. (there is room
for a small knob inside). I might even have a solid aluminum knob that
will fit in there, but I have to find them....

However, grinding out that center will be tricky and time consuming,
since the new knob needs to be centered very precisely.




The knobs all look different, the number of shaft configurations is very limited...

Fox's Mercantile
Guest

Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:45 pm   



On 1/7/19 1:32 PM, tubeguy_at_myshop.com wrote:
Quote:
However, grinding out that center will be tricky and
time consuming, since the new knob needs to be centered
very precisely.


Not hardly. Even at it's best, it was only +/- 10%

I would suggest grinding out the crack and old glue, then
repairing the original knob with JB Weld.
Allow 24 hours for it to set up correctly.



--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com

Jeff Liebermann
Guest

Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:45 pm   



On Mon, 07 Jan 2019 13:32:51 -0600, tubeguy_at_myshop.com wrote:

Quote:
I recently bought an old Eico 955 In circuit capacitor tester. It worked
right away, but I am going to recap it. But there is a problem. The
Calibrated dial knob wont clamp to the shaft. Someone apparently over
tightened the set screw and cracked the part that fits around the 1/4"
shaft. Someone also must have glued it, then broke it again. That only
makes gluing it again a worse option because the old glue is gooped all
over the pieces, so they wont fit together properly anymore.

Finding a replacement is likely not an option.
Knob Part number - Eico 89678

How would you fix this?

I do have one thought. To carefully grind away the entire center part of
that knob with a dremyl tool. Then take a new smallish knob with a set
screw and drill out the 1/4" hole thru to the face of that knob, and use
JB Weld to glue that new knob inside the old one. Of course the set
screw has to line up with the original set screw hole. (there is room
for a small knob inside). I might even have a solid aluminum knob that
will fit in there, but I have to find them....

However, grinding out that center will be tricky and time consuming,
since the new knob needs to be centered very precisely.


A few questions:

1. Which knob?
<https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3834/11055642634_e5daa78fe7_b.jpg>

2. What part of the knob is cracked? Is it the plastic part or the
brass center insert? I haven't seen too many knobs without this brass
insert as threading the plastic doesn't last very long on small
diameter knobs.

I'll assume it's the brass insert. These are very much the same for
all similar sized knobs that use a 1/4" dia shaft. I've actually done
what you're proposing. I used a lathe to insure that everything was
centered. Instead of trying to totally drill out the brass insert, I
used a smaller drill (or end mill) that left a thin brass annular
ring. I removed that with a pair of pliers.

The replacement brass insert was provided by a random knob from my
collection. I inserted a 1/4" steel rod into the knob, gouged two
grooves 180 degrees apart in the plastic (being careful to NOT hit the
brass insert), and split open the knob.

Since both the plastic knobs and brass inserts were knurled, there was
no way these were going to fit together without some modification.
After some careful measurement, I put the original knob back into the
lathe, and enlarged the hole slightly so that the new brass insert
would fit. I then roughed up the plastic with sandpaper to give the
glue something to grab onto. I stuffed a grease covered steel (not
brass) screw into the set screw hole, smeared the brass insert with
epoxy, and let it harden. The nylon screw was easily removed, but if
there has been some difficulty, I could easily have removed it with a
little brute force.

Good luck.
--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl_at_cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

whit3rd
Guest

Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:45 am   



On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 11:33:24 AM UTC-8, tub...@myshop.com wrote:
Quote:
I recently bought an old Eico 955 In circuit capacitor tester. ... Someone apparently over
tightened the set screw and cracked the part that fits around the 1/4"
shaft.


A lathe and some aluminum to make a metal fitting, and some creative hollowing-out
of the old knob, can fix it. Old plastic with cracks and glue just won't be a part of
the solution (it needn't look like the original, IMHO).

If the shaft is fully round, consider a lock fitting as used on old trimpots: the
knob can grab that shaft like a collet, but still come off with the right wrenches.


Guest

Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:45 am   



On Mon, 07 Jan 2019 14:20:44 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl_at_cruzio.com>
wrote:

Quote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2019 13:32:51 -0600, tubeguy_at_myshop.com wrote:

I recently bought an old Eico 955 In circuit capacitor tester. It worked
right away, but I am going to recap it. But there is a problem. The
Calibrated dial knob wont clamp to the shaft. Someone apparently over
tightened the set screw and cracked the part that fits around the 1/4"
shaft. Someone also must have glued it, then broke it again. That only
makes gluing it again a worse option because the old glue is gooped all
over the pieces, so they wont fit together properly anymore.

Finding a replacement is likely not an option.
Knob Part number - Eico 89678

How would you fix this?

I do have one thought. To carefully grind away the entire center part of
that knob with a dremyl tool. Then take a new smallish knob with a set
screw and drill out the 1/4" hole thru to the face of that knob, and use
JB Weld to glue that new knob inside the old one. Of course the set
screw has to line up with the original set screw hole. (there is room
for a small knob inside). I might even have a solid aluminum knob that
will fit in there, but I have to find them....

However, grinding out that center will be tricky and time consuming,
since the new knob needs to be centered very precisely.

A few questions:

1. Which knob?
https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3834/11055642634_e5daa78fe7_b.jpg


The CALIBRATED one with numbers on it.

Quote:
2. What part of the knob is cracked? Is it the plastic part or the
brass center insert? I haven't seen too many knobs without this brass
insert as threading the plastic doesn't last very long on small
diameter knobs.

No brass parts, the set screw is in plastic, part of the piece that fits
on the 1/4" shaft is broken away (opposite set screw).

Quote:
I'll assume it's the brass insert. These are very much the same for
all similar sized knobs that use a 1/4" dia shaft. I've actually done
what you're proposing. I used a lathe to insure that everything was
centered. Instead of trying to totally drill out the brass insert, I
used a smaller drill (or end mill) that left a thin brass annular
ring. I removed that with a pair of pliers.


Like I said, there is no brass in it. not the best quality knob in my
opinion..... even if it is 50 years old.........
Quote:

The replacement brass insert was provided by a random knob from my
collection. I inserted a 1/4" steel rod into the knob, gouged two
grooves 180 degrees apart in the plastic (being careful to NOT hit the
brass insert), and split open the knob.

Since both the plastic knobs and brass inserts were knurled, there was
no way these were going to fit together without some modification.
After some careful measurement, I put the original knob back into the
lathe, and enlarged the hole slightly so that the new brass insert
would fit. I then roughed up the plastic with sandpaper to give the
glue something to grab onto. I stuffed a grease covered steel (not
brass) screw into the set screw hole, smeared the brass insert with
epoxy, and let it harden. The nylon screw was easily removed, but if
there has been some difficulty, I could easily have removed it with a
little brute force.

Good luck.


Jeff Liebermann
Guest

Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:45 am   



On Mon, 07 Jan 2019 13:32:51 -0600, tubeguy_at_myshop.com wrote:

Quote:
However, grinding out that center will be tricky and time consuming,
since the new knob needs to be centered very precisely.


This recently posted video might give you some ideas on what can be
done:

Cloning Vintage Knobs
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNBHtlhlHF4> (10:45)

I'm really impressed with his results. The list of materials in the
video description section. If you want to go cheap, try Automotive
Bondo and some mold release (or just some grease).

Drivel: The Kidney stones are finally gone after six weeks and three
laser lithotripsy surgeries. Not much pain and no complexications. I
win.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl_at_cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

John-Del
Guest

Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:45 pm   



On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 1:54:34 AM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Quote:
Drivel: The Kidney stones are finally gone after six weeks and three
laser lithotripsy surgeries. Not much pain and no complexications. I
win.

--


Wow, sorry to hear you were afflicted with those bastards. I've had them several times and had one lithotripsy as did my wife (we're fertile I guess). I passed a 6mm stone about three months ago.

Glad you're feeling better; drink more water and don't drink tea!

Jeff Liebermann
Guest

Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:45 pm   



On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 07:59:07 -0800 (PST), John-Del <ohger1s_at_gmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:
On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 1:54:34 AM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Drivel: The Kidney stones are finally gone after six weeks and three
laser lithotripsy surgeries. Not much pain and no complexications. I
win.

Wow, sorry to hear you were afflicted with those bastards. I've had
them several times and had one lithotripsy as did my wife (we're
fertile I guess). I passed a 6mm stone about three months ago.


Medicine has progressed considerably since I had my last stone 10
years ago. These days, the doctors insert a stent (plastic tube)
between the bladder and the affected kidney. This takes the back
pressure off the kidney and therefore eliminated most of the pain. It
was rather painful for about 2 days, until they inserted the stents
(one for each kidney). However, there were some problems breaking up
the stones with the laser and extracting the resulting rubble.

>Glad you're feeling better; drink more water and don't drink tea!

Water yes, but your advice about tea is wrong. Most stones are
calcium oxalate. Prior to a few years ago, the recommendation was a
low oxalate diet and low calcium diet. Tea has variable amounts of
oxalate content depending on type. Same with many plant based foods
(kale, spinach, etc). However, the main problem is not oxalates, but
rather calcium. Reducing calcium intake is VERY difficult. I also
have heart problems. Finding a diet that is suitable for both is
difficult or impossible.

Today, the game plan of the year has changed. Instead of reducing
calcium input, calcium rich foods are recommended to reduce kidney
stone production. The idea is to have the calcium bind with the
oxalates in the foods BEFORE the mix gets to the kidneys, where it
gets precipitated as stones. These need to be in the diet, not pills,
and need to have the calcium and oxalate foods eaten at the same time.
For example, adding cheese to the salad.

"Oxalate content and calcium binding capacity of tea and herbal teas."
<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12495262>

What go me was probably high fructose corn syrup, which is beginning
to appear as a cause of kidney stone production:
"The Not-so-Sweet Side of Fructose"
<https://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/20/3/457>
"Fructose consumption and the risk of kidney stones"
<https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0085253815529517>
This was probably my problem as I had increased my consumption of soda
pop over the last 10 years (when I had a previous stone). Oops. I'm
still reading through the literature on the how this allegedly works,
so please do not treat this rant and gospel.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl_at_cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

John-Del
Guest

Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:45 pm   



On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 12:43:31 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Quote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 07:59:07 -0800 (PST), John-Del <ohger1s_at_gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 1:54:34 AM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Drivel: The Kidney stones are finally gone after six weeks and three
laser lithotripsy surgeries. Not much pain and no complexications. I
win.

Wow, sorry to hear you were afflicted with those bastards. I've had
them several times and had one lithotripsy as did my wife (we're
fertile I guess). I passed a 6mm stone about three months ago.

Medicine has progressed considerably since I had my last stone 10
years ago. These days, the doctors insert a stent (plastic tube)
between the bladder and the affected kidney. This takes the back
pressure off the kidney and therefore eliminated most of the pain. It
was rather painful for about 2 days, until they inserted the stents
(one for each kidney). However, there were some problems breaking up
the stones with the laser and extracting the resulting rubble.

Glad you're feeling better; drink more water and don't drink tea!

Water yes, but your advice about tea is wrong. Most stones are
calcium oxalate.


I was given the same info by the urologist, but I've found out that just about everyone I spoke to about kidney stones were all big tea drinkers. While tea may not have any calcium oxalate, it may cause some sort of unknown reaction that will somehow foment something in the body that creates stones..

I switched to green tea (black tea is supposedly worse as are dark sodas), have just one cup at night during the winter, and chase it with a glass of water right before bed.

Ralph Mowery
Guest

Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:45 pm   



In article <a289fe45-3a36-4d98-a00d-d32c9dd3629f_at_googlegroups.com>,
ohger1s_at_gmail.com says...
Quote:


I was given the same info by the urologist, but I've found out that just about everyone I spoke to about kidney stones were all big tea drinkers. While tea may not have any calcium oxalate, it may cause some sort of unknown reaction that will somehow foment something in the body that creates stones.

I switched to green tea (black tea is supposedly worse as are dark sodas), have just one cup at night during the winter, and chase it with a glass of water right before bed.




I doubt that the doctors have any idea about what to drink.

I am 68 and have drank Southern Black sweet tea as almost my only drink
when I can get it. Never had a stone.

Fellow at work is a few years younger and he does not drink soft drinks.
He has stones all the time.

pfjw@aol.com
Guest

Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:45 pm   



Cutting to the chase, our younger cat (5-year old Maine Coon mix, 18 pounds, 7 ounces) nearly died of kidney stones (Struvite stones). We have had the two of them on Royal Canin SO since then (2 years now). Comes as wet or dry - and it seems to work. Might be a consideration.... Wink>

https://www.chewy.com/royal-canin-veterinary-diet-urinary/dp/35158?utm_source=google-product&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=f&utm_content=Royal%20Canin%20Veterinary%20Diet&utm_term=&gclid=Cj0KCQiAvqDiBRDAARIsADWh5TfMqJkaG4Q358TyCRVhWIiWT1G71LWZz_reNe5R5LhBY68agY9D3zsaAoaGEALw_wcB

Plenty of Taurine!

It seems to help them keep their weight "good" as well. The big guy (at 21 pounds) has no bladder or kidney issues, but he gained weight on Meow Mix. Back down to a (relatively) svelte 21 pounds now, from 24 at peak. He can still jump to the top of the refrigerator from a standing start.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

John-Del
Guest

Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:45 pm   



On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 2:18:57 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
Quote:
In article <a289fe45-3a36-4d98-a00d-d32c9dd3629f_at_googlegroups.com>,
ohger1s_at_gmail.com says...


I was given the same info by the urologist, but I've found out that just about everyone I spoke to about kidney stones were all big tea drinkers. While tea may not have any calcium oxalate, it may cause some sort of unknown reaction that will somehow foment something in the body that creates stones.

I switched to green tea (black tea is supposedly worse as are dark sodas), have just one cup at night during the winter, and chase it with a glass of water right before bed.




I doubt that the doctors have any idea about what to drink.

I am 68 and have drank Southern Black sweet tea as almost my only drink
when I can get it. Never had a stone.

Fellow at work is a few years younger and he does not drink soft drinks.
He has stones all the time.


But we're talking about restrictions for folks who have a propensity to develop stones. People who have had one will usually get dozens or more in their lifetime.

Some people have to watch their sugar and carbs like a hawk. My A1C last checkup was 5.0. I can eat sugar all day long and not worry about diabetes, and I'm 61 years old. Those (like my wife) whose A1C is higher have to watch their carbs and are given certain diet restrictions.

So we're not saying that a certain food or drink will give you stones, we're saying that those folks who are susceptible to kidney stones have specific foods and drink on their moderation list.

pfjw@aol.com
Guest

Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:45 pm   



On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 2:30:06 PM UTC-5, John-Del wrote:

> But we're talking about restrictions for folks who have a propensity to develop stones. People who have had one will usually get dozens or more in their lifetime.

I worked with a woman in her 20s that started getting stones when she was 19. Her Doc put her on, must have been, 20 types of diets, and 30 types of supplements of one sort or another.

What finally worked reasonably well was a diet that included a fair amount of lemon or lime juice and one (1) 12-ounce beer each evening. So she had some Corona with her lime juice. Her Doc pretty much took the position that every person is different, and every person needs to find what works, which will not be the same as what works for someone else.

Ralph Mowery
Guest

Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:45 pm   



In article <8928c5c1-0b1c-4142-b0f1-54c977845da6_at_googlegroups.com>,
peterwieck33_at_gmail.com says...
Quote:

What finally worked reasonably well was a diet that included a fair amount of lemon or lime juice and one (1) 12-ounce beer each evening. So she had some Corona with her lime juice. Her Doc pretty much took the position that every person is different, and every person needs to find what works, which will not be the same as what
works for someone else.



Just like most drugs. What may work well for many may kill some.

I think it is funny in a way where the drug may cause constipation or
give you the squirts, sleep or no sleep, and many other oppoists.

It is really difficult for me to even think of a drug that says it may
cause death. If I was almost dead, I would probably give it a try as a
last resort.

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