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AK
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Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:45 pm   



I want to calculate approx run time of a D cell with a capacity of 13,000 Mah.

I assume that Time(H) = Capacity(Ah)/Current(A) equals a final battery voltage of 0 volts which will not work in my case.

I need a calculation for an ending voltage of around 2.0 volts.
(At 2.0 volts, my clock starts losing time.)

Thanks

AK
Guest

Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:45 am   



On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 5:14:30 PM UTC-5, AK wrote:
Quote:
I want to calculate approx run time of a D cell with a capacity of 13,000 Mah.

I assume that Time(H) = Capacity(Ah)/Current(A) equals a final battery voltage of 0 volts which will not work in my case.

I need a calculation for an ending voltage of around 2.0 volts.
(At 2.0 volts, my clock starts losing time.)

Thanks


Maybe this would help stimulate some answer?

https://imgur.com/a/bbaNKzU

Andy

ehsjr
Guest

Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:45 am   



On 9/20/2019 6:14 PM, AK wrote:
Quote:
I want to calculate approx run time of a D cell with a capacity of 13,000 Mah.

I assume that Time(H) = Capacity(Ah)/Current(A) equals a final battery voltage of 0 volts which will not work in my case.

I need a calculation for an ending voltage of around 2.0 volts.
(At 2.0 volts, my clock starts losing time.)

Thanks


I assume you have two D cells in series, since you specify an ending
voltage of 2 volts. A single D cell provides 1.5 volts.

Generally speaking the mAh discharge voltage for a single D cell would
be around 1 volt, not 0 volts, but that doesn't matter too much.
Read on.

The equation will give you ONLY an approximation.

The rate at which a battery discharges varies with the amount of
current drawn. Unless the load is designed to draw constant current,
the denominator (Current) in your equation is a variable so you
can't solve it accurately. Add to that the fact that the discharge
rate is not linear even at constant current, and you can see the
difficulty with getting a precise and accurate answer. Look at
some battery discharge curves to get a feeling for this.

Ed

whit3rd
Guest

Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:45 am   



On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 3:14:30 PM UTC-7, AK wrote:
Quote:
I want to calculate approx run time of a D cell with a capacity of 13,000 Mah.

I assume that Time(H) = Capacity(Ah)/Current(A) equals a final battery voltage of 0 volts which will not work ...


No, the mAh rating comes with an explanation of the test conditions,
you just need the full manufacturer's data sheets.

Sometimes there's a time/voltage graph, and you can chose the cutoff
voltage and measure area-under-the-I-V curve.
Sometimes there's a specified V when fresh, and V when dead
(alkaline, typically 1.5V fresh, 1.0V dead; lithium, typically 3.6V fresh,
3.0V dead).

Phil Allison
Guest

Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:45 am   



whit3rd wrote:

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Quote:


No, the mAh rating comes with an explanation of the test conditions,
you just need the full manufacturer's data sheets.

Sometimes there's a time/voltage graph, and you can chose the cutoff
voltage and measure area-under-the-I-V curve.
Sometimes there's a specified V when fresh, and V when dead
(alkaline, typically 1.5V fresh, 1.0V dead; lithium, typically 3.6V fresh,
3.0V dead).

-----------------------------


** The OP has indicted his load is a clock, dunno what kind but any battery clock will be engineered for absolute minimum DC current draw.

Standard Quartz mechanisms are phenomenal current misers, alkaline AA cells last a year or more. Average currents being in the order of 100uA.

It follows that a D size cell would last much longer, maybe 5 or 10 years.

IOW, its entire shelf life.

Matters more how fresh the cell is when you purchase it.



..... Phil

AK
Guest

Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:45 pm   



On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 2:49:28 AM UTC-5, Phil Allison wrote:
Quote:
whit3rd wrote:

------------------


No, the mAh rating comes with an explanation of the test conditions,
you just need the full manufacturer's data sheets.

Sometimes there's a time/voltage graph, and you can chose the cutoff
voltage and measure area-under-the-I-V curve.
Sometimes there's a specified V when fresh, and V when dead
(alkaline, typically 1.5V fresh, 1.0V dead; lithium, typically 3.6V fresh,
3.0V dead).

-----------------------------

** The OP has indicted his load is a clock, dunno what kind but any battery clock will be engineered for absolute minimum DC current draw.

Standard Quartz mechanisms are phenomenal current misers, alkaline AA cells last a year or more. Average currents being in the order of 100uA.

It follows that a D size cell would last much longer, maybe 5 or 10 years.

IOW, its entire shelf life.

Matters more how fresh the cell is when you purchase it.



.... Phil


Sorry for the late reply.

The clock uses about 25 Ma and the AAs lasted about 3 months.

Andy

Jeroen Belleman
Guest

Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:45 am   



AK wrote:
Quote:
On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 2:49:28 AM UTC-5, Phil Allison wrote:
whit3rd wrote:

------------------

No, the mAh rating comes with an explanation of the test conditions,
you just need the full manufacturer's data sheets.

Sometimes there's a time/voltage graph, and you can chose the cutoff
voltage and measure area-under-the-I-V curve.
Sometimes there's a specified V when fresh, and V when dead
(alkaline, typically 1.5V fresh, 1.0V dead; lithium, typically 3.6V fresh,
3.0V dead).

-----------------------------

** The OP has indicted his load is a clock, dunno what kind but any battery clock will be engineered for absolute minimum DC current draw.

Standard Quartz mechanisms are phenomenal current misers, alkaline AA cells last a year or more. Average currents being in the order of 100uA.

It follows that a D size cell would last much longer, maybe 5 or 10 years.

IOW, its entire shelf life.

Matters more how fresh the cell is when you purchase it.



.... Phil

Sorry for the late reply.

The clock uses about 25 Ma and the AAs lasted about 3 months.

Andy


That makes it a 54 GAh battery then. Some battery!
Gentlemen, get your units straight!

M=mega, m=milli, and in ASCII text, u=micro, which I
guess is what you really meant. If so, 54 mAh is very
poor for an AA. A fresh AA should be able to deliver
about 1 Ah in a clock, maybe more.

Jeroen Belleman

Phil Allison
Guest

Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:45 pm   



AK wrote:

-----------
Quote:


** The OP has indicted his load is a clock, dunno what kind but
any battery clock will be engineered for absolute minimum DC current draw.

Standard Quartz mechanisms are phenomenal current misers, alkaline
AA cells last a year or more. Average currents being in the order of 100uA.

It follows that a D size cell would last much longer, maybe 5 or 10 years.

IOW, its entire shelf life.

Matters more how fresh the cell is when you purchase it.




Sorry for the late reply.

The clock uses about 25 Ma and the AAs lasted about 3 months.


** Oh dear - ROTFL

So you only switch the clock on when you want to read the time - to save the batteries ?

25mA for 2160 hours = 54 amp hours.

What brand AAs do you buy ?


..... Phil

AK
Guest

Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:45 am   



On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 5:16:46 PM UTC-5, Phil Allison wrote:
Quote:
AK wrote:

-----------


** The OP has indicted his load is a clock, dunno what kind but
any battery clock will be engineered for absolute minimum DC current draw.

Standard Quartz mechanisms are phenomenal current misers, alkaline
AA cells last a year or more. Average currents being in the order of 100uA.

It follows that a D size cell would last much longer, maybe 5 or 10 years.

IOW, its entire shelf life.

Matters more how fresh the cell is when you purchase it.




Sorry for the late reply.

The clock uses about 25 Ma and the AAs lasted about 3 months.


** Oh dear - ROTFL

So you only switch the clock on when you want to read the time - to save the batteries ?

25mA for 2160 hours = 54 amp hours.

What brand AAs do you buy ?


.... Phil


The clock is on continuously.

I buy whatever AA that is on sale.

Andy

Phil Allison
Guest

Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:45 am   



AK wrote:

--------------
Quote:


Sorry for the late reply.

The clock uses about 25 Ma and the AAs lasted about 3 months.


** Oh dear - ROTFL

So you only switch the clock on when you want to read the time
- to save the batteries ?

25mA for 2160 hours = 54 amp hours.

What brand AAs do you buy ?



The clock is on continuously.


** Crikey - that must waste the battery !

Quote:

I buy whatever AA that is on sale.



** But where do you buy 54Ah ones ??

BTW:

a dead donkey is about to kick you.



..... Phil

o pere o
Guest

Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:45 am   



On 31/10/19 17:16, AK wrote:
Quote:
On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 2:49:28 AM UTC-5, Phil Allison wrote:
whit3rd wrote:

------------------


No, the mAh rating comes with an explanation of the test conditions,
you just need the full manufacturer's data sheets.

Sometimes there's a time/voltage graph, and you can chose the cutoff
voltage and measure area-under-the-I-V curve.
Sometimes there's a specified V when fresh, and V when dead
(alkaline, typically 1.5V fresh, 1.0V dead; lithium, typically 3.6V fresh,
3.0V dead).

-----------------------------

** The OP has indicted his load is a clock, dunno what kind but any battery clock will be engineered for absolute minimum DC current draw.

Standard Quartz mechanisms are phenomenal current misers, alkaline AA cells last a year or more. Average currents being in the order of 100uA.

It follows that a D size cell would last much longer, maybe 5 or 10 years.

IOW, its entire shelf life.

Matters more how fresh the cell is when you purchase it.



.... Phil

Sorry for the late reply.

The clock uses about 25 Ma and the AAs lasted about 3 months.

Andy


A Duracell AA has 2850 mAh and a D 15000 mAh (*). So, a crude assumption
is that your D cell will last about 15 months.

(*) Looked it up some time ago

Pere

Phil Allison
Guest

Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:45 pm   



o pere o lunatic wrote:

------------------
Quote:

Sorry for the late reply.

The clock uses about 25 Ma and the AAs lasted about 3 months.

Andy


A Duracell AA has 2850 mAh and a D 15000 mAh (*). So, a crude assumption
is that your D cell will last about 15 months.


** What does 2850 / 25 / 24 = ??



..... Phil

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