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Baron
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:46 pm   



Joerg Inscribed thus:

Quote:
Baron wrote:
Joerg Inscribed thus:

John Fields wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:51:00 -0800, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:38:03 -0800, Joerg
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

Don Y wrote:
Hi Joerg,

On 1/18/2012 4:29 PM, Joerg wrote:
Hello Folks,

Have to get a data cable of about 0.200" OD, round, through
the side of a plastic case. Does anyone make these for such
small round cables?
Are you trying to protect the cable, dress it up, and/or
provide
strain relief? (in the latter case, how *much* strain?)

Only strain relief would be needed. Not much, jusdt so it won't
slip out of the box. They won't do tractor-pulling contests with
it :-)

It a wimpy cable, containing six 24AWG stranded wires.
---
What we usually use is something like one of the 700 series
grommets from:

http://www.keyelco.com/pdfs/M60/M60p129.pdf

and then tie off the cable on the inside of the box with a tiny
tie-wrap.

Yes, that and a tie wrap to the board could work. We are already
using the 778 (finned type) somewhere else. Good idea, John. I'll
try to provide both options, a board cut-out large enough to allow
an LKG Industries grommet and then four holes farther on for two
tie wraps. They may not like the tie wraps because of the
prep-work. They'd have to loop these through before the board gets
mounted. Which would require a staging area in production.
---
I meant just using a grommet and a tie-wrap tightened around the
cable jacket on the inside of the box, like this:

news:10ajh75f1c8d8ocu1uktm1gci8ubgp05dj_at_4ax.com

Those kinds of links unfortunately do not work with my Thunderbird.


The grommet's on the left at the top of the terminal block.

If you mean just a tie-wrap around the cable and not tied to
anything else that won't work. It's stranded wires in there and that
would push inside too easily. It'll wear out.

Sounds like the ideal grommet would be one that has a support tail on
one side and a tyewrap groove on the other side. ...


Yup! But sans the tail, because that'll really get in the way.


... Similar to those
used on re-wirable IEC connectors. In fact I have a box of 5000 of
them but they are 7.5mm bore. They were originally used for cable
strain relief on UK 13A plugs. I'll see if I can photograph one and
post a picture.


I've just submitted the design. Put two holes in the board so if need
be we can secure the cables on the board and run through a rubber
grommet, in case the squeeze-grommet doesn't pan out. Believe it or
not, the drawing misses some crucial info such as cable diameter
ranges and the mfg didn't know, and said we should try with samples.
Almost fell off the chair here.


Unbelievable ! I wonder what manufacturing did when they made the
tooling...

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

Joerg
Guest

Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:48 pm   



Baron wrote:
Quote:
Joerg Inscribed thus:

Baron wrote:
Joerg Inscribed thus:

John Fields wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:51:00 -0800, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid
wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:38:03 -0800, Joerg
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

Don Y wrote:
Hi Joerg,

On 1/18/2012 4:29 PM, Joerg wrote:
Hello Folks,

Have to get a data cable of about 0.200" OD, round, through
the side of a plastic case. Does anyone make these for such
small round cables?
Are you trying to protect the cable, dress it up, and/or
provide
strain relief? (in the latter case, how *much* strain?)

Only strain relief would be needed. Not much, jusdt so it won't
slip out of the box. They won't do tractor-pulling contests with
it :-)

It a wimpy cable, containing six 24AWG stranded wires.
---
What we usually use is something like one of the 700 series
grommets from:

http://www.keyelco.com/pdfs/M60/M60p129.pdf

and then tie off the cable on the inside of the box with a tiny
tie-wrap.

Yes, that and a tie wrap to the board could work. We are already
using the 778 (finned type) somewhere else. Good idea, John. I'll
try to provide both options, a board cut-out large enough to allow
an LKG Industries grommet and then four holes farther on for two
tie wraps. They may not like the tie wraps because of the
prep-work. They'd have to loop these through before the board gets
mounted. Which would require a staging area in production.
---
I meant just using a grommet and a tie-wrap tightened around the
cable jacket on the inside of the box, like this:

news:10ajh75f1c8d8ocu1uktm1gci8ubgp05dj_at_4ax.com

Those kinds of links unfortunately do not work with my Thunderbird.


The grommet's on the left at the top of the terminal block.

If you mean just a tie-wrap around the cable and not tied to
anything else that won't work. It's stranded wires in there and that
would push inside too easily. It'll wear out.
Sounds like the ideal grommet would be one that has a support tail on
one side and a tyewrap groove on the other side. ...

Yup! But sans the tail, because that'll really get in the way.


... Similar to those
used on re-wirable IEC connectors. In fact I have a box of 5000 of
them but they are 7.5mm bore. They were originally used for cable
strain relief on UK 13A plugs. I'll see if I can photograph one and
post a picture.

I've just submitted the design. Put two holes in the board so if need
be we can secure the cables on the board and run through a rubber
grommet, in case the squeeze-grommet doesn't pan out. Believe it or
not, the drawing misses some crucial info such as cable diameter
ranges and the mfg didn't know, and said we should try with samples.
Almost fell off the chair here.


Unbelievable ! I wonder what manufacturing did when they made the
tooling...


Maybe massaged it until it fit :-)

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Baron
Guest

Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:55 pm   



Joerg Inscribed thus:

Quote:
Baron wrote:
Joerg Inscribed thus:

Baron wrote:
Joerg Inscribed thus:

John Fields wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:51:00 -0800, Joerg
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:38:03 -0800, Joerg
invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

Don Y wrote:
Hi Joerg,

On 1/18/2012 4:29 PM, Joerg wrote:
Hello Folks,

Have to get a data cable of about 0.200" OD, round, through
the side of a plastic case. Does anyone make these for such
small round cables?
Are you trying to protect the cable, dress it up, and/or
provide
strain relief? (in the latter case, how *much* strain?)

Only strain relief would be needed. Not much, jusdt so it
won't slip out of the box. They won't do tractor-pulling
contests with it :-)

It a wimpy cable, containing six 24AWG stranded wires.
---
What we usually use is something like one of the 700 series
grommets from:

http://www.keyelco.com/pdfs/M60/M60p129.pdf

and then tie off the cable on the inside of the box with a tiny
tie-wrap.

Yes, that and a tie wrap to the board could work. We are already
using the 778 (finned type) somewhere else. Good idea, John.
I'll try to provide both options, a board cut-out large enough
to allow an LKG Industries grommet and then four holes farther
on for two tie wraps. They may not like the tie wraps because of
the prep-work. They'd have to loop these through before the
board gets mounted. Which would require a staging area in
production.
---
I meant just using a grommet and a tie-wrap tightened around the
cable jacket on the inside of the box, like this:

news:10ajh75f1c8d8ocu1uktm1gci8ubgp05dj_at_4ax.com

Those kinds of links unfortunately do not work with my
Thunderbird.


The grommet's on the left at the top of the terminal block.

If you mean just a tie-wrap around the cable and not tied to
anything else that won't work. It's stranded wires in there and
that would push inside too easily. It'll wear out.
Sounds like the ideal grommet would be one that has a support tail
on
one side and a tyewrap groove on the other side. ...

Yup! But sans the tail, because that'll really get in the way.


... Similar to those
used on re-wirable IEC connectors. In fact I have a box of 5000 of
them but they are 7.5mm bore. They were originally used for cable
strain relief on UK 13A plugs. I'll see if I can photograph one and
post a picture.

I've just submitted the design. Put two holes in the board so if
need be we can secure the cables on the board and run through a
rubber grommet, in case the squeeze-grommet doesn't pan out. Believe
it or not, the drawing misses some crucial info such as cable
diameter ranges and the mfg didn't know, and said we should try with
samples. Almost fell off the chair here.


Unbelievable ! I wonder what manufacturing did when they made the
tooling...


Maybe massaged it until it fit :-)


Very big grin... (*)

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

Baron
Guest

Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:03 pm   



Quote:
On 1/18/2012 4:29 PM, Joerg wrote:
Hello Folks,

Have to get a data cable of about 0.200" OD, round, through
the side of a plastic case. Does anyone make these for such
small round cables?

Are these any help.
Sorry forgot to past link:
http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=12177&eventPage=1

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

Joerg
Guest

Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:03 pm   



Baron wrote:
Quote:
On 1/18/2012 4:29 PM, Joerg wrote:
Hello Folks,

Have to get a data cable of about 0.200" OD, round, through
the side of a plastic case. Does anyone make these for such
small round cables?

Are these any help.
Sorry forgot to past link:
http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=12177&eventPage=1


Those are the usual rubber grommets. I'll leave that decision to my
client. The board will have a cut-out for a hard-plastic squeeze type
"real" strain relief grommet and also holes to tie-wrap the cable to the
board and then use a rubber grommet. Of course, being old-school I would
never use plastic tie-wraps but always lacing cord.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

josephkk
Guest

Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:22 am   



On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 21:38:34 +0000, Baron <baron_at_linuxmaniac.net> wrote:

Quote:

The grommet's on the left at the top of the terminal block.


If you mean just a tie-wrap around the cable and not tied to anything
else that won't work. It's stranded wires in there and that would push
inside too easily. It'll wear out.

Sounds like the ideal grommet would be one that has a support tail on
one side and a tyewrap groove on the other side. Similar to those
used on re-wirable IEC connectors. In fact I have a box of 5000 of
them but they are 7.5mm bore. They were originally used for cable
strain relief on UK 13A plugs. I'll see if I can photograph one and
post a picture.

0.190" may not be too far off from a good fit.

?-)

Jasen Betts
Guest

Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:49 am   



On 2012-01-18, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

Quote:
To add insult to injury the side wall of the plastic case is not
straight, gets skinnier towards the top. Beats my why they do that. Hurumph!

it's for manufacturing eas of the moulder that way the outside angles can be
square and they can still extract the die from the finished part.

--
⚂⚃ 100% natural

Jasen Betts
Guest

Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:59 am   



On 2012-01-21, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

Quote:
Those are the usual rubber grommets. I'll leave that decision to my
client. The board will have a cut-out for a hard-plastic squeeze type
"real" strain relief grommet and also holes to tie-wrap the cable to the
board and then use a rubber grommet. Of course, being old-school I would
never use plastic tie-wraps but always lacing cord.

Put a drop of cyanoacrylate glue on the cable and pull it back into
the grommet, it will only anchor the jacket, but often that's enough.



--
⚂⚃ 100% natural

Joerg
Guest

Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:08 pm   



Jasen Betts wrote:
Quote:
On 2012-01-21, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

Those are the usual rubber grommets. I'll leave that decision to my
client. The board will have a cut-out for a hard-plastic squeeze type
"real" strain relief grommet and also holes to tie-wrap the cable to the
board and then use a rubber grommet. Of course, being old-school I would
never use plastic tie-wraps but always lacing cord.

Put a drop of cyanoacrylate glue on the cable and pull it back into
the grommet, it will only anchor the jacket, but often that's enough.


That's what I am trying to avoid, any sort of glue process. It can be
done but it's messy and undesirable for most contract mfgs. Got the
Richco samples this week and what I feared is true: The SB-1 grommet is
way too small and would squish the cable. The SB-2 is too large. And
they've got nothing in between. Beats me why not.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Joerg
Guest

Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:10 pm   



Jasen Betts wrote:
Quote:
On 2012-01-18, Joerg <invalid_at_invalid.invalid> wrote:

To add insult to injury the side wall of the plastic case is not
straight, gets skinnier towards the top. Beats my why they do that. Hurumph!

it's for manufacturing eas of the moulder that way the outside angles can be
square and they can still extract the die from the finished part.


Ok, but none of the other enclosures I have here are slanted. And
neither were the ones we designed ourselves. Problem is, this time the
quantity isn't high enough to justify our own moulds.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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