Raz Tiokchinksi
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Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:06 am
try this book for basic electronics hobby:
http://www.theelectronicsbook.com
George Herold
Guest
Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:26 am
On Jan 16, 7:06 pm, Raz Tiokchinksi <raz.tikochin...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Hmm, I was going to recommend starting with the basic passives, LRC
circuits. Then add diodes. And then get AofE
George H.
John Larkin
Guest
Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:29 am
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:26:37 -0800 (PST), George Herold
<gherold_at_teachspin.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 16, 7:06 pm, Raz Tiokchinksi <raz.tikochin...@gmail.com> wrote:
try this book for basic electronics hobby:
http://www.theelectronicsbook.com
Hmm, I was going to recommend starting with the basic passives, LRC
circuits. Then add diodes. And then get AofE
George H.
This testimonial
"I read it in less than 3 weeks and now I really know how to
understand electric circuits - John K."
is impressive.
John
Jan Panteltje
Guest
Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:26 am
On a sunny day (Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:29:32 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
<u6n9h7lb3ooqvd415de2pqeqvip0auireq_at_4ax.com>:
Quote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:26:37 -0800 (PST), George Herold
gherold_at_teachspin.com> wrote:
On Jan 16, 7:06 pm, Raz Tiokchinksi <raz.tikochin...@gmail.com> wrote:
try this book for basic electronics hobby:
http://www.theelectronicsbook.com
Hmm, I was going to recommend starting with the basic passives, LRC
circuits. Then add diodes. And then get AofE
George H.
This testimonial
"I read it in less than 3 weeks and now I really know how to
understand electric circuits - John K."
is impressive.
John
Yes, sure is, after almost a century learning I still do not
understand all circuits, let alone what an electron really is.
I need to read that book!
On second thought, why spoil a fascinating mystery.
Pueblo Dancer
Guest
Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:48 pm
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 05:25:10 -0800 (PST), NT <meow2222_at_care2.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 17, 9:26 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:29:32 -0800) it happened John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
u6n9h7lb3ooqvd415de2pqeqvip0aui...@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:26:37 -0800 (PST), George Herold
gher...@teachspin.com> wrote:
On Jan 16, 7:06 pm, Raz Tiokchinksi <raz.tikochin...@gmail.com> wrote:
try this book for basic electronics hobby:
http://www.theelectronicsbook.com
Hmm, I was going to recommend starting with the basic passives, LRC
circuits. Then add diodes. And then get AofE
George H.
This testimonial
"I read it in less than 3 weeks and now I really know how to
understand electric circuits - John K."
is impressive.
John
Yes, sure is, after almost a century learning I still do not
understand all circuits, let alone what an electron really is.
I need to read that book!
On second thought, why spoil a fascinating mystery.
If there's anyone lurking looking for a basics book, I wouldn't
bother. The internet is a far faster & more effective way to learn,
and I've not yet seen any beginners book thats of satisfactory
quality. And no, AofE is not a beginners book.
NT
NEETS
http://jricher.com/NEETS/
A few other sources as well.
NT
Guest
Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:25 pm
On Jan 17, 9:26 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:29:32 -0800) it happened John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
u6n9h7lb3ooqvd415de2pqeqvip0aui...@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:26:37 -0800 (PST), George Herold
gher...@teachspin.com> wrote:
On Jan 16, 7:06 pm, Raz Tiokchinksi <raz.tikochin...@gmail.com> wrote:
try this book for basic electronics hobby:
http://www.theelectronicsbook.com
Hmm, I was going to recommend starting with the basic passives, LRC
circuits. Then add diodes. And then get AofE
George H.
This testimonial
"I read it in less than 3 weeks and now I really know how to
understand electric circuits - John K."
is impressive.
John
Yes, sure is, after almost a century learning I still do not
understand all circuits, let alone what an electron really is.
I need to read that book!
On second thought, why spoil a fascinating mystery.
If there's anyone lurking looking for a basics book, I wouldn't
bother. The internet is a far faster & more effective way to learn,
and I've not yet seen any beginners book thats of satisfactory
quality. And no, AofE is not a beginners book.
NT
John Larkin
Guest
Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:27 pm
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:26:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:29:32 -0800) it happened John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
u6n9h7lb3ooqvd415de2pqeqvip0auireq_at_4ax.com>:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:26:37 -0800 (PST), George Herold
gherold_at_teachspin.com> wrote:
On Jan 16, 7:06 pm, Raz Tiokchinksi <raz.tikochin...@gmail.com> wrote:
try this book for basic electronics hobby:
http://www.theelectronicsbook.com
Hmm, I was going to recommend starting with the basic passives, LRC
circuits. Then add diodes. And then get AofE
George H.
This testimonial
"I read it in less than 3 weeks and now I really know how to
understand electric circuits - John K."
is impressive.
John
Yes, sure is, after almost a century learning I still do not
understand all circuits, let alone what an electron really is.
I need to read that book!
On second thought, why spoil a fascinating mystery.
Note that most of the testimonials use the same fractured-English
syntax as the rest of the page.
John
gregz
Guest
Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:04 pm
George Herold <gherold_at_teachspin.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 16, 7:06 pm, Raz Tiokchinksi <raz.tikochin...@gmail.com> wrote:
try this book for basic electronics hobby:
http://www.theelectronicsbook.com
Hmm, I was going to recommend starting with the basic passives, LRC
circuits. Then add diodes. And then get AofE
George H.
My tech school book was electronic communication, by shrader. After 13
years, AofE then became my bible.
Greg
My Name Is Tzu How Do You
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:41 am
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 07:27:12 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:26:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:29:32 -0800) it happened John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
u6n9h7lb3ooqvd415de2pqeqvip0auireq_at_4ax.com>:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:26:37 -0800 (PST), George Herold
gherold_at_teachspin.com> wrote:
On Jan 16, 7:06 pm, Raz Tiokchinksi <raz.tikochin...@gmail.com> wrote:
try this book for basic electronics hobby:
http://www.theelectronicsbook.com
Hmm, I was going to recommend starting with the basic passives, LRC
circuits. Then add diodes. And then get AofE
George H.
This testimonial
"I read it in less than 3 weeks and now I really know how to
understand electric circuits - John K."
is impressive.
John
Yes, sure is, after almost a century learning I still do not
understand all circuits, let alone what an electron really is.
I need to read that book!
On second thought, why spoil a fascinating mystery.
Note that most of the testimonials use the same fractured-English
syntax as the rest of the page.
John
Note the blatant lie that the guy has had a century of electronics
study. The dope isn't even that old.
Phil Hobbs
Guest
Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:00 am
Bill Beaty wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 17, 1:26 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes, sure is, after almost a century learning I still do not
understand all circuits, let alone what an electron really is.
In arguing with an EE* who believes that voltage is always caused by
current, I became curious about the surface potential of charged
particles.
q = 1.6e-19
r = 5.64e-15M / 2
V = q/4piEo/r
= 511KV
So now I finally know! Clearly electrons are little conductive
spheres charged to a voltage related to positron annhilation energy
(since antimatter cancellation requires *two* 511KeV little metal
balls. And when they spiral semiclassically together, they must
launch a circ-pol EM chirp like an axial jet! Riiight?)
;)
You've just rederived the value of the "classical electron radius", only
backwards. That number has no other physical significance. Certainly
electrons behave as point particles up to energies as high as
accelerators can reach. (The string theorists have been doing math on
particles with internal structure, but after 30 years or so, there's
zero data to support it AFAIK. They'd have been shouting from the
housetops if there were.)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
Bill Beaty
Guest
Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:21 am
On Jan 17, 1:26 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
Yes, sure is, after almost a century learning I still do not
understand all circuits, let alone what an electron really is.
In arguing with an EE* who believes that voltage is always caused by
current, I became curious about the surface potential of charged
particles.
q = 1.6e-19
r = 5.64e-15M / 2
V = q/4piEo/r
= 511KV
So now I finally know! Clearly electrons are little conductive
spheres charged to a voltage related to positron annhilation energy
(since antimatter cancellation requires *two* 511KeV little metal
balls. And when they spiral semiclassically together, they must
launch a circ-pol EM chirp like an axial jet! Riiight?)
((((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( (o) ) ) )))))))))))))))))))))))
William J. Beaty UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74
beaty a chem washington edu Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
ph206-543-6195 http//staff.washington.edu/wbeaty
* on internet, nobody knows whether you're really Claude
Jan Panteltje
Guest
Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:20 am
Can't open /usr/lib64/ispell/british.hash
On a sunny day (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:21:52 -0800 (PST)) it happened Bill Beaty
<billb_at_eskimo.com> wrote in
<b63d54ab-6498-45a5-ad11-5f2ad586db8d_at_4g2000pbz.googlegroups.com>:
Quote:
On Jan 17, 1:26 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes, sure is, after almost a century learning I still do not
understand all circuits, let alone what an electron really is.
In arguing with an EE* who believes that voltage is always caused by
current, I became curious about the surface potential of charged
particles.
q = 1.6e-19
r = 5.64e-15M / 2
V = q/4piEo/r
= 511KV
So now I finally know! Clearly electrons are little conductive
spheres charged to a voltage related to positron annhilation energy
(since antimatter cancellation requires *two* 511KeV little metal
balls. And when they spiral semiclassically together, they must
launch a circ-pol EM chirp like an axial jet! Riiight?)
Sounds a bit like 2 black holes merging,
would be interesting to know if it came out as 'jets',
maybe more powerful in one direction than the other.
There is a guy in sci.physics that thinks things sort of repeat themselves
on an ever smaller scale, like the atom is a universe in its own.
While ago I was thinking about a neutrino black hole,
is there any basic physics against that, apart from the continuation
of gravity at ever smaller scales?
There is also the electron black hole, as theorized by Murat Ozer.
Been quiet around that too, I thought that was ball-lightning
(I have seen one once), size matches.
So much for todays philosophy
George Herold
Guest
Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:27 pm
On Jan 20, 5:20 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
Can't open /usr/lib64/ispell/british.hash
On a sunny day (Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:21:52 -0800 (PST)) it happened Bill Beaty
bi...@eskimo.com> wrote in
b63d54ab-6498-45a5-ad11-5f2ad586d...@4g2000pbz.googlegroups.com>:
On Jan 17, 1:26 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes, sure is, after almost a century learning I still do not
understand all circuits, let alone what an electron really is.
In arguing with an EE* who believes that voltage is always caused by
current, I became curious about the surface potential of charged
particles.
q = 1.6e-19
r = 5.64e-15M / 2
V = q/4piEo/r
= 511KV
So now I finally know! Clearly electrons are little conductive
spheres charged to a voltage related to positron annhilation energy
(since antimatter cancellation requires *two* 511KeV little metal
balls. And when they spiral semiclassically together, they must
launch a circ-pol EM chirp like an axial jet! Riiight?)
Sounds a bit like 2 black holes merging,
would be interesting to know if it came out as 'jets',
maybe more powerful in one direction than the other.
There is a guy in sci.physics that thinks things sort of repeat themselves
on an ever smaller scale, like the atom is a universe in its own.
While ago I was thinking about a neutrino black hole,
Well the 'inside' of a black hole is unknown, But you could think
about a neutrino 'star'. (like a neutron star)
Since netrino's have a very small mass.... (I don't know the current
guesses.. but lets say an eV) they have some average thermal
velocity. kT~mv**2. You can then compare this to the escape velocity
from the surface. And ask how big a mass you need at the current
temperature of the universe to make a neutrino 'star'. I'm too lazy
at the moment to try putting numbers in... My WAG is it's still to
'hot' in the universe neutrino 'star'.
George H.
Quote:
is there any basic physics against that, apart from the continuation
of gravity at ever smaller scales?
There is also the electron black hole, as theorized by Murat Ozer.
Been quiet around that too, I thought that was ball-lightning
(I have seen one once), size matches.
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Jan Panteltje
Guest
Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:53 pm
On a sunny day (Fri, 20 Jan 2012 06:27:11 -0800 (PST)) it happened George
Herold <gherold_at_teachspin.com> wrote in
<77c07f1b-d55c-4d44-b04f-ad8957210062_at_dp8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:
Quote:
Well the 'inside' of a black hole is unknown, But you could think
about a neutrino 'star'. (like a neutron star)
I am glad you use the word 'unknown'.
It depends a lot on how gravity works, and if it has a maximum.
In the theory I like, Le Sage's, if all particles - that cause gravity -
are intercepted, then there would be no more increase in pressure.
So although perhaps EM waves could not escape, something that was faster could.
Independent of the theory chosen, if indeed neutrinos are confirmed to move FTL,
as CERN detected, then those could still escape where EM could not.
That would require more mass in any theory to form a hole that was also 'neutrino black'.
(Think mass of neutrino and escape speed required, simple Newton).
Fun :-)
Quote:
Since netrino's have a very small mass.... (I don't know the current
guesses.. but lets say an eV) they have some average thermal
velocity. kT~mv**2. You can then compare this to the escape velocity
from the surface. And ask how big a mass you need at the current
temperature of the universe to make a neutrino 'star'. I'm too lazy
at the moment to try putting numbers in... My WAG is it's still to
'hot' in the universe neutrino 'star'.
George H.
is there any basic physics against that, apart from the continuation
of gravity at ever smaller scales?
There is also the electron black hole, as theorized by Murat Ozer.
Been quiet around that too, I thought that was ball-lightning
(I have seen one once), size matches.
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George Herold
Guest
Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:41 pm
On Jan 20, 10:53 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 20 Jan 2012 06:27:11 -0800 (PST)) it happened George
Herold <gher...@teachspin.com> wrote in
77c07f1b-d55c-4d44-b04f-ad8957210...@dp8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:
Well the 'inside' of a black hole is unknown, But you could think
about a neutrino 'star'. (like a neutron star)
I am glad you use the word 'unknown'.
It depends a lot on how gravity works, and if it has a maximum.
In the theory I like, Le Sage's, if all particles - that cause gravity -
are intercepted, then there would be no more increase in pressure.
So although perhaps EM waves could not escape, something that was faster could.
Independent of the theory chosen, if indeed neutrinos are confirmed to move FTL,
as CERN detected, then those could still escape where EM could not.
That would require more mass in any theory to form a hole that was also 'neutrino black'.
(Think mass of neutrino and escape speed required, simple Newton).
Well, *IF* the cern netrino FTL results are correct, then the
difference in speed is not that much... so about the same mass.
Indeed since the netrino's have a non-zero rest mass, the required
black hole mass could be the same.
Oh here's a crazy idea... I wonder if lower energy netrino's go
faster. That would almost make a twisted kind of sense.
Quote:
Fun
Yeah neutrinos are cool.. too bad they are so darn hard to detect.
George H.
Quote:
Since netrino's have a very small mass.... (I don't know the current
guesses.. but lets say an eV) they have some average thermal
velocity. kT~mv**2. You can then compare this to the escape velocity
from the surface. And ask how big a mass you need at the current
temperature of the universe to make a neutrino 'star'. I'm too lazy
at the moment to try putting numbers in... My WAG is it's still to
'hot' in the universe neutrino 'star'.
George H.
is there any basic physics against that, apart from the continuation
of gravity at ever smaller scales?
There is also the electron black hole, as theorized by Murat Ozer.
Been quiet around that too, I thought that was ball-lightning
(I have seen one once), size matches.
So much for todays philosophy- Hide quoted text -
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