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Lostgallifreyan
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Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:08 pm   



"Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups_at_yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3Wlcm.493461$6p1.334514_at_en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com:

Quote:
I don't really see a connection there. Certainly there's plenty to be
learned from applying ICs such as the LM317 in unorthodox ways, but
there's also plenty to be learned from studying the "right" way to solve
a specific problem. Indeed, often the "new" right way comes about from
someone experimenting with the old ways and having a flash of insight.


That's exactly how I improve code when I write it, I look at what aorks best
and always revisit to see if there;s a further improvement because there
often is. But there is also context. In several posts here I've accounted for
the context of my decision to try this LM317 wheeze. There's no reason not to
try it, and a few good ones to try it.

Michael A. Terrell
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Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:00 pm   



Tim Williams wrote:
Quote:

"Lostgallifreyan" <no-one_at_nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9C585A893Dzoodlewurdle_at_216.196.109.145...
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless_at_electrooptical.net> wrote in
news:58CdnWEqNIuvS-3XnZ2dnUVZ_vBi4p2d_at_supernews.com:

snivet

¿Qué?

Wow, I didn't know people were still using that term. Last time I heard it
was in talking about tube televisions from the 1960s!

Snivets is where the sweep output tube undergoes oscillations (Barkhausen
oscillation) between the plate and screen, when plate voltage is lower than
screen (Vp(sat) typ. 30V for these types, at Vg2 = 125V). It's supposed to
make an electron-beam-driven resonant cavity, producing UHF oscillations
something like a klystron I suppose. The solution is to raise the voltage
on the beam former grid to about 30V.

Can I get a modern definition for "snivets"?


"Sniveling Idiot". ;-)


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JosephKK
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:29 pm   



On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:01:01 -0500, Lostgallifreyan
<no-one_at_nowhere.net> wrote:

Quote:
Lostgallifreyan <no-one_at_nowhere.net> wrote in
news:Xns9C512D9705DE7zoodlewurdle_at_216.196.109.145:

Definitely a communications breakdown spreading here but I'm not entirely
sure it's electro-optical in nature..


Does anyone here know how to adapt a diode model for a laser diode?

For an all but clueless first cut i think you would need a four
terminal device, to include the transport of emitted photons.

Lostgallifreyan
Guest

Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:18 pm   



"JosephKK"<quiettechblue_at_yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3e7o75h7m29qpd1ca55o00bl96ivfn6msq_at_4ax.com:

Quote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:01:01 -0500, Lostgallifreyan
no-one_at_nowhere.net> wrote:

Lostgallifreyan <no-one_at_nowhere.net> wrote in
news:Xns9C512D9705DE7zoodlewurdle_at_216.196.109.145:

Definitely a communications breakdown spreading here but I'm not
entirely
sure it's electro-optical in nature..


Does anyone here know how to adapt a diode model for a laser diode?

For an all but clueless first cut i think you would need a four
terminal device, to include the transport of emitted photons.


Yes, I was sent an Intusoft newsletter that contained just such an animal,
but it's based on a Hitachi 3mW IR diode, I think. But as a 'dead' diode with
facet damage from ESD or other surge usually behaves very similarly to a live
fresh one, electrically, AND most high power diodes have no monitor
photodiodes anyway, there's nothing wrong with only two terminals. What is
then critical, if it's to be driven hard, is to include temperature
monitoring in the model. In practise diodes will vary but the setting will be
a set-and-forget one based on a single measurement of power at maximum drive,
once the thermal compensator works. I did this once (before I ever looked
into spice) using an LM317 and some thermistors in the sense resistance
network. It sounds crude, but I calculated it in some detail, and it worked
well. Apart from that LM317, the entire driver was discrete passive parts.
(Wasn't modulated though, have to add stuff then.)

JeffM
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Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:30 pm   



Quote:
Martin Musatov wrote:
snipped stuff, lots of it..

Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Wow. As in 'Why'? And perhaps, WTF?

You noticed the cross-posting; this was also multi-posted.
This spammer is a 1-trick pony:
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?enc_author=VH8HkCUAAABao2jumPzMV4lt0Ss00ePnixa6E0eetrkPH3BIwN2wzDNkEozqbodaZ7xQDlJcpTo&scoring=d
You might drop a note to
mailto:abuse_at_arcor-ip.de abuse@ arcor-ip.de

Lostgallifreyan
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Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:38 am   



JeffM <jeffm__at_email.com> wrote in
news:7c779e0e-c1cf-4f05-8f9e-6a8207be1d99_at_q7g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:

Quote:
Martin Musatov wrote:
snipped stuff, lots of it..

Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Wow. As in 'Why'? And perhaps, WTF?

You noticed the cross-posting; this was also multi-posted.
This spammer is a 1-trick pony:
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?enc_author=VH8HkCUAAABao2jumPzMV4l
t0Ss00ePnixa6E0eetrkPH3BIwN2wzDNkEozqbodaZ7xQDlJcpTo&scoring=d You might
drop a note to mailto:abuse_at_arcor-ip.de abuse@ arcor-ip.de


If it happens again, I will. I didn't do more than delete it this time,
because if it happens again I want to know. Most times I let it pass, just
filter it out because spam is rarely interesting.

Bob Larter
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Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:14 pm   



Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Quote:
"Martin Musatov http://MeAmI.org 'Search for the People!'"
marty.musatov_at_gmail.com> wrote in
news:26ca7d88-05c8-4592-bebf-b02e17cd8e80_at_o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com:

snipped stuff, lots of it..

Wow. As in 'Why'? And perhaps, WTF?

I'm local to the spammer, & I've sent off a complaint to his/her university.

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\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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Bob Larter
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Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:13 am   



Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Quote:
Bob Larter <bobbylarter_at_gmail.com> wrote in
news:h8j5ev$963$7_at_blackhelicopter.databasix.com:

Progressive Architecture Girl wrote:
Patrick Jost, an award-winning architect based in Melbourne,
Australia, commented on the continued notoriety of Pruitt-Igoe:
I'm also based in Melbourne, Australia, & I don't have the faintest idea
what this spam has to do with repairing electronic equipment.
OTOH, I do have a couple of friends who work for Melb Uni, so I might
ask them what they think of you spamming.

HTH!


:)
They top the surrealometer, if nothign else. Although a couple of posts today
have kept it high. Cross-posted to alt'slack. LOL, didn't even know that
existed. Smile Cut me some... three pipes full if you please.

Melb Uni have promised me that they're going to do something about their
spammer.


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. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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Lostgallifreyan
Guest

Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:46 am   



Bob Larter <bobbylarter_at_gmail.com> wrote in
news:h8n0jl$8dt$2_at_blackhelicopter.databasix.com:

Quote:
Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Bob Larter <bobbylarter_at_gmail.com> wrote in
news:h8j5ev$963$7_at_blackhelicopter.databasix.com:

Progressive Architecture Girl wrote:
Patrick Jost, an award-winning architect based in Melbourne,
Australia, commented on the continued notoriety of Pruitt-Igoe:
I'm also based in Melbourne, Australia, & I don't have the faintest
idea what this spam has to do with repairing electronic equipment.
OTOH, I do have a couple of friends who work for Melb Uni, so I might
ask them what they think of you spamming.

HTH!


:)
They top the surrealometer, if nothign else. Although a couple of posts
today have kept it high. Cross-posted to alt'slack. LOL, didn't even
know that existed. Smile Cut me some... three pipes full if you please.

Melb Uni have promised me that they're going to do something about their
spammer.



Cool, nice if you have someone responsive to talk to. Last time I tried it
was like dropping money into an oubliette and calling it a wishing well. Smile
Not that oubliettes aren't cool, in a sinister kind of way.

Michael Black
Guest

Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:43 pm   



On Fri, 2 Oct 2009, Bill wrote:

Quote:
Hi,

Does anyone know of stereo earphones with a connector with four
conductors? (ie., they don't share the ground node). I would like to
drive them in a bridge-tied load (BTL) configuration, to save the
coupling capacitors.

Thank you

And then you end up with not being able to use just any headphones simply

because you don't want the capacitor. Headphones are the thing that's
likely to break first, and you've ended up with a situation where the user
will then end up not being able to use the gizmo since they have to order
the headphones from some single source in New Jersey.

I have a headphone jack on the car radio that I use as a bedside radio. I
put the capacitor on it so I could use a single output of the car radio to
feed the headphones. I sure didn't need the extra power of balanced
output, and the capacitor was hardly "large". You should have been around
forty years ago, then a 10,000uf capacitor at 17v was the size of a coke
can. Now, it's not any extra size.

Since this sort of thing is dealt with all the time in commercial
equipment, you've made the issue more complicated than necessary. They
live with the usual headphones, and thus they must live with the "nasty"
output capacitor. On the other hand, my Sansa Fuze is small enough that
there must be miniscule capacitors at the needed capacitance, since all of
the unit complete with batteries and LCD screen is jammed in that tiny
package.

Michael

Bill
Guest

Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:32 pm   



On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:43:38 -0400, Michael Black <et472_at_ncf.ca> wrote:

Quote:
Since this sort of thing is dealt with all the time in commercial
equipment, you've made the issue more complicated than necessary. They
live with the usual headphones, and thus they must live with the "nasty"
output capacitor. On the other hand, my Sansa Fuze is small enough that
there must be miniscule capacitors at the needed capacitance, since all of
the unit complete with batteries and LCD screen is jammed in that tiny
package.

No, they must not live with the output capacitors. You can avoid them
with a dual supply (or with charge pumps if you run from an explicit
single supply). I'd bet that's what they do in tiny MP3s, etc.

It's only that I don't want to use noisy circuits like charge pumps,
and I don't have a dual supply.

Best

Fred Abse
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Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:14 pm   



On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:26:54 +0200, brute wrote:

Quote:
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"

<snip>

Posting to Usenet in HTML is *NEVER* awesome.

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is, I presume, that one comes a little more expensive, but is more
durable; the other is a cheaper thing, but the moths get into it."
(Stephen Leacock)

Vince
Guest

Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:41 am   



On 23:10 9 Nov 2009, Arno wrote:

Quote:
mike <not_at_here.invalid> wrote:
Rounding IDE cables this looks as if it could cause electrical
problems on the PATA cables. Is it really as safe as he
suggests it is?

http://cpu-central.com/Articles.asp?article_id=7249&
decor_int=27

Depends. With UDMA 3 or before you can get data corruption. I
had this with a burner that did not support data checksums on
UDMA 3. Most HDDs do suuport these checksums, but the standard
does not require it before UDMA 4. For all UDMA levels you can
get command corruption, checksums on commands are not present
before SATA.

It also depends on lenght. My experiences are (If I remember
correctly): 30cm - works, 45cm - data corruption with the
burner, 60cm - command problems with HDDs, 90cm - basically
unusable with HDDs being dropped by the kernel within minutes.
Cable quality can influence that in both directions.

Arno

The home made mod doesn't seem to have as much protection from
intereference.

Ready made rounded PATA/IDE cables arrange the wires (signal and
ground) as twisted pairs.

Don't know how much difference this makes.

Igor Batinic
Guest

Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:53 am   



Hi!

Vince wrote:
Quote:
On 23:10 9 Nov 2009, Arno wrote:

mike <not_at_here.invalid> wrote:

It also depends on lenght. My experiences are (If I remember
correctly): 30cm - works, 45cm - data corruption with the
burner, 60cm - command problems with HDDs, 90cm - basically
unusable with HDDs being dropped by the kernel within minutes.
Cable quality can influence that in both directions.

The home made mod doesn't seem to have as much protection from
intereference.

Ready made rounded PATA/IDE cables arrange the wires (signal and
ground) as twisted pairs.

Don't know how much difference this makes.

Actually, a lot. Therefore, creating "home-made" ATA cables from
ordinary ATA cables is not a very good idea.

Best regards,

Iggy

Rod Speed
Guest

Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:58 am   



Vince wrote
Quote:
Arno wrote
mike <not_at_here.invalid> wrote

Rounding IDE cables this looks as if it could cause electrical problems
on the PATA cables. Is it really as safe as he suggests it is?

http://cpu-central.com/Articles.asp?article_id=7249&decor_int=27

Depends. With UDMA 3 or before you can get data corruption. I
had this with a burner that did not support data checksums on
UDMA 3. Most HDDs do suuport these checksums, but the standard
does not require it before UDMA 4. For all UDMA levels you can
get command corruption, checksums on commands are not present
before SATA.

It also depends on lenght. My experiences are (If I remember
correctly): 30cm - works, 45cm - data corruption with the
burner, 60cm - command problems with HDDs, 90cm - basically
unusable with HDDs being dropped by the kernel within minutes.
Cable quality can influence that in both directions.

The home made mod doesn't seem to have as much protection from intereference.

True, but neither did the original 40 wire cables either.

Quote:
Ready made rounded PATA/IDE cables arrange the wires (signal and ground) as twisted pairs.

Some do, some dont.

Quote:
Don't know how much difference this makes.

Not much.

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