Are “CRTP” and “TOPSTN” legal in USA?

Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:59 pm   

Hi:

I'm currently daydreaming about a hypothetical telecommunication
device that looks like a desktop PC but is text-only. Lets call this
device “CRTP” [Chat Room Text Phone]. The CRTP is eco-friendly and
does not need any 110/220 VAC sockets. Instead it receives its power
from the line it is connected to. This line electrically and
physically resembles that of a telephone line but is not connected to
the currently-existing POTS/PSTN. Instead it is connected to a
hypothetical network. Let’s call this theoretical network “TOPSTN” --
Text-Only Public-Switched Telephone Network.

The TOPSTN [using CRTP] is similar to the PSTN but is text-only and is
separate from the currently existing PSTN/POTS.

The display device of CRTP consists of inorganic LEDs that are as
small as possible given the state of today's technology with any many
LEDs per area as possible. This monitor is monochrome and the LEDs
emit 555 nm light only. This wavelength of light is the wavelength
that is most easily detected by the human eye. Other wavelengths of
visible light require highest intensities for the same visibility. 555
nm light has the highest optical efficacy of all visible wavelengths.
This monochrome display is 1-bit for each LED [either the LED is on or
off]. When on, the LED emits the minimum intensity of light required
for the human eye to detect in a dark room. The display is just big
enough to display the largest meaningful two sentences of any human
language. The font is fixed and is just big enough NOT to strain the
readers' eyes. This screen is divided into two parts. Part A display
what you type as you type it while Part B displays text that has been
posted into the chat room – by you or someone else. Press "enter" or
left-click the "post" button to post your message into the chat room.

TOPSTN consists of live chat rooms that are pure-text only. Nothing
other than text. No file-transfer either. There is no IM/PM
capability. When you post text into a room, everyone sees it.

Unlike the PSTN/POTS system, TOPSTN does not have any centralized
system. Each user has his/her own device for chatting.

TOPSTN is a completely anonymous network in which there are no such
things as telephone numbers, caller-IDs, IP addresses, MAC addresses,
ANIs, DNISs, or any other codes to identify users.

Neither the CRTP nor the TOPSTN store any files. They don’t log any
information either.

In the chat rooms used by CRTP and TOPSTN, there are no such things as
administrators, ISPs, operators, passwords, or moderators. To prevent
impersonation of real people, users are not allowed to make usernames.
To further increase anonymity, no user will be assigned a username.
This truly makes it impossible to identify any user. No registration
is required to chat.

CRTP and TOPSTN are nightmares to the sadists who want to interfere
with free speech. Sadly, CRTP & TOPSTN and only hypothetical.

Let’s say CRTP and TOPSTN were to exist. Would they be legal in USA?
If not, why?

There is nothing illegal that could possibly be done with CRTP/TOPSTN.
Right?


Thanks,

GX

Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:59 pm   

On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:59:55 -0800 (PST), GreenXenon
<glucegen1x_at_gmail.com> wrote:


You are an idiot. This USENET IS a text only medium, and yet binary
files are still able to be passed over it.

So, yes, it is 100% vulnerable to abuse.

Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:32 am   

On Jan 28, 1:39 pm, Hellequin <Helleq...@yourpipesaremypipes.org>
wrote:

Note that file-transfer is not possible with CRTP and TOPSTN.

Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:04 am   

On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:16:24 -0800 (PST), GreenXenon
<glucegen1x_at_gmail.com> wrote:


Note that the "transfer" I refer to is by the use of TEXT characters,
and invisible to the system.

Try again, idiot.

Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:56 am   

On Jan 29, 4:04 am, Hellequin <Helleq...@yourpipesaremypipes.org>
wrote:

File transfer using only plain text messages was cracked long ago.
Connect a more able machine to the network and you'll have users
exchanging files.

Lots of speech is illegal in pretty well every country on earth.

Any chat network without admins of some sort is rapidly swamped with
junk. So almost noone will want to use it for chatting.

A 2 line display is nowhere near big enough to cope with the average
chatroom.

All chat networks have T&Cs partly to protect the network owner
against prosecution. Operating without those looks risky.

Network and user stations need power. Users like simple plug & play,
so including a psu in the machine seems sensible. Spare capacity might
possibly permit some unplugged machines to work too, but might be a
problem in practice. Why? You're talkign about long distance copper
links running at low v, thus providing only millipower, for want of a
better term.

And finally there is no existing network to hook them up to without
cost. The ones that do cost you can do way more with using a pc.

Other than that, great idea.


NT

Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:09 pm   

On Jan 28, 8:56 pm, NT <meow2...@care2.com> wrote:



The CRTP doesn't need anymore power than most corded telephones. The
TOPSTN doesn't need anymore power than the current PSTN.

The hardware of CRTP and TOPSTN is such that it is impossible to
transfer files.

The CRTP and TOPSTN are PnP, just plug the CRTP in, switch it on, and
voila, you're connected to TOPSTN and ready to chat.

Because CRTP/TOPSTN don't connect to the conventional internet or the
existing PSTN/POTS system, it's very difficult to fill the chat room
with bots. In addition, the CRTP/TOPSTN only work with raw text, it
doesn't have the functionality to allow chatterbots to work.

Other than "criminal threats" and defamation, there isn't any text-
only speech that violates any USA law.

AFAIK, the only impediment to constructing CRTP and TOPSTN is the cost.

Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:14 pm   

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 06:09:53 -0800 (PST), GreenXenon
<glucegen1x_at_gmail.com> wrote:


You are an idiot. Go back to the kook group.

Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:28 pm   

On Jan 29, 2:09 pm, GreenXenon <glucege...@gmail.com> wrote:

Their hardware limitations are irrelevant, because people will replace
some of them with PCs running an emulator application. Why? Because
people want to swap files, and can. Files of every type on earth.



Plug it into what? There is no network. Building a new network costs a
fortune.



Those 2 arent the main problem. With a pc and software app all the
usual chat network problems are trivial to do.



lol. If you open a totally unmonitored anonymous untraceable network,
people will use it for *every* type of speech and data there is.
There's a whole slew of laws against such things. It'll get used for
ripping off music, child porn, terrorism, rioting, treason, murder,
malware, dissemination of classified info, death threats, you name it.



and the fact that no-one in their right mind would pay it, or want to
use it.


NT

Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:26 am   

On 2012-01-28, GreenXenon <glucegen1x_at_gmail.com> wrote:

initially sounds a lot like PRESTEL, only significanly greener (for two
different definitions of green).


this bit sounds like Packet radio over CB.


bomb making instructions
copyrighted literature (without permission)
ascii kiddie porn
sensitive information
....

how are you going to stop people from downloading?

if it is unmoderated and anonymous all fora will be choked with advertising.

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Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:27 am   

On 2012-01-29, GreenXenon <glucegen1x_at_gmail.com> wrote:

ever hear of OCR, how do you plan to make file-transfer impossible?



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Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:36 am   

On 2012-01-29, GreenXenon <glucegen1x_at_gmail.com> wrote:


if the display can be read files can be transferred.

0000000 1f 8b 08 00 75 71 26 4f 00 03 8b cc 2f 55 48 2c
0000020 4a 55 48 54 48 2b 4d ce ce cc 4b 57 c8 4c c9 cc
0000040 2f 51 e4 02 00 ca d0 e8 3b 19 00 00 00


see also: Pianola.
If it has a keyboard it can be abused.

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