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harry newton
Guest

Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:28 pm   



Talk about drastic!

Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in HALF!

"After replacing the battery, Geekbench showed that the scores had nearly
doubled."

<http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/12/is-apple-slowing-down-iphones-with-aging-batteries.html>

Jeff Liebermann
Guest

Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:48 pm   



On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 15:28:50 +0000 (UTC), harry newton
<harry_at_is.invalid> wrote:

Quote:
Talk about drastic!
Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in HALF!

"After replacing the battery, Geekbench showed that the scores had nearly
doubled."

http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/12/is-apple-slowing-down-iphones-with-aging-batteries.html


Sure, but if Apple did NOT reduce consumption somewhere as the battery
aged, you would complain that the iPhone battery didn't survive the
warranty period or operate the advertised number of hours.

What I find disgusting is that Apple did not make the feature optional
and controlled in the settings.

When we're done complaining about the evil Apple, we can then switch
our focus to the evil Google, which extends runtime and battery life
by disabling display intensive features and reducing OLED display
brightness if it detects a weak battery.
<https://www.google.com/patents/US8407502>
See the "Summary" section. The phone still works, but all the fancy
features are disabled and you can't see what you're doing (only red
LED's are active). This might be a serious problem for someone on
Viagra, who's vision is shifted towards blue, and doesn't see any red.

Cutting features to enhance battery life is nothing new. Palm has a
patent for saving battery power by switching from battery guzzling
color, to a more economical monochrome:
"Method and Apparatus for Selectable Display Mode for Intelligently
Enhancing Battery Life"

Meanwhile, Intel offers CPU's that self-throttle if they draw too much
power, get too hot, or are in danger of turning off before the end of
the movie or big game. Most of the technology was inherited from
Transmeta:
"Adaptive power control"
<https://www.google.com/patents/US7100061>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmeta>

I'm sure if I dig some more, I'll find other patents for ways to
generate longer battery life numbers at the expense of other features.

Hmmm... my battery is low and old. Maybe that's why I'm losing at
Solitaire?

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl_at_cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558


Guest

Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:04 pm   



On Wednesday, 27 December 2017 16:48:57 UTC, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Quote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 15:28:50 +0000 (UTC), harry newton
harry_at_is.invalid> wrote:

Talk about drastic!
Apple throttled your iPhone by cutting its speed almost in HALF!

"After replacing the battery, Geekbench showed that the scores had nearly
doubled."

http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/12/is-apple-slowing-down-iphones-with-aging-batteries.html

Sure, but if Apple did NOT reduce consumption somewhere as the battery
aged, you would complain that the iPhone battery didn't survive the
warranty period or operate the advertised number of hours.

What I find disgusting is that Apple did not make the feature optional
and controlled in the settings.

When we're done complaining about the evil Apple, we can then switch
our focus to the evil Google, which extends runtime and battery life
by disabling display intensive features and reducing OLED display
brightness if it detects a weak battery.
https://www.google.com/patents/US8407502
See the "Summary" section. The phone still works, but all the fancy
features are disabled and you can't see what you're doing (only red
LED's are active). This might be a serious problem for someone on
Viagra, who's vision is shifted towards blue, and doesn't see any red.

Cutting features to enhance battery life is nothing new. Palm has a
patent for saving battery power by switching from battery guzzling
color, to a more economical monochrome:
"Method and Apparatus for Selectable Display Mode for Intelligently
Enhancing Battery Life"

Meanwhile, Intel offers CPU's that self-throttle if they draw too much
power, get too hot, or are in danger of turning off before the end of
the movie or big game. Most of the technology was inherited from
Transmeta:
"Adaptive power control"
https://www.google.com/patents/US7100061
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmeta

I'm sure if I dig some more, I'll find other patents for ways to
generate longer battery life numbers at the expense of other features.

Hmmm... my battery is low and old. Maybe that's why I'm losing at
Solitaire?


Apple phones are very much aimed at people that know nothing about technology and don't want to learn. They're idiot proofed partly by key useful features not being available. One can criticise them, but tbh I reckon they know their market.


NT

harry newton
Guest

Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:05 pm   



He who is Jeff Liebermann said on Wed, 27 Dec 2017 08:48:50 -0800:

Quote:
Sure, but if Apple did NOT reduce consumption somewhere as the battery
aged, you would complain that the iPhone battery didn't survive the
warranty period or operate the advertised number of hours.


Fair enough observation but the Materials Science experts seem to be
inferring a different take on that same sentiment, by stating that Apple
batteries were sold with intolerable (and unadvertised) performance decay.

They "clearly came with intolerable performance decay." says The Verge.
<https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/21/16806582/apple-battery-slowdown-science>

Quote:
What I find disgusting is that Apple did not make the feature optional
and controlled in the settings.


Lawsuits argue Apple had to keep the permanent throttling to far less than
half the advertised speeds (from 1,400MHz to 600MHz) secret if the reason
was they didn't want to honor warranty claims.

<https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/20/16800058/apple-iphone-slow-fix-battery-life-capacity>

Quote:
When we're done complaining about the evil Apple, we can then switch
our focus to the evil Google, which extends runtime and battery life
by disabling display intensive features and reducing OLED display
brightness if it detects a weak battery.


This is only related if it was done secretly, permanently, and drastically.

Quote:
https://www.google.com/patents/US8407502
See the "Summary" section. The phone still works, but all the fancy
features are disabled and you can't see what you're doing (only red
LED's are active).


Is this slowdown drastic (far more than half the advertised speeds)?
Is it secret?
Is it permanent (for any given battery)?

Quote:
This might be a serious problem for someone on
Viagra, who's vision is shifted towards blue, and doesn't see any red.


As of December 11th, 2017, that problem may increase!
<https://www.goodrx.com/blog/generic-viagra-in-2017-sooner-than-expected/>

Quote:
Cutting features to enhance battery life is nothing new. Palm has a
patent for saving battery power by switching from battery guzzling
color, to a more economical monochrome:
"Method and Apparatus for Selectable Display Mode for Intelligently
Enhancing Battery Life"


Is this slowdown drastic (far more than half the advertised speeds)?
Is it secret?
Is it permanent (for any given battery)?

Quote:
Meanwhile, Intel offers CPU's that self-throttle if they draw too much
power, get too hot, or are in danger of turning off before the end of
the movie or big game. Most of the technology was inherited from
Transmeta:
"Adaptive power control"
https://www.google.com/patents/US7100061
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmeta


Is this slowdown drastic (far more than half the advertised speeds)?
Is it secret?
Is it permanent (for any given battery)?

Quote:
I'm sure if I dig some more, I'll find other patents for ways to
generate longer battery life numbers at the expense of other features.


IF they're not secret, permanent, and drastic (throttled to far less than
half the claimed CPU speeds), then they're relevant.

Otherwise they're just red herrings.

Quote:
Hmmm... my battery is low and old. Maybe that's why I'm losing at
Solitaire?


Nope. It's why that huge power outage a week ago by PG&E was caused by the
winds coming from the north instead of from the south like they usually do
where you live!

Seriously though ... since you are generally old-school and balanced, do
you really consider Apple's secret, permanent, and drastic (the cpu is
chopped to far less than half the claimed speeds) is equivalent to a
temporary, slight, and obvious slowdown?

Really?

rickman
Guest

Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:22 am   



tabbypurr_at_gmail.com wrote on 12/27/2017 12:04 PM:
Quote:
On Wednesday, 27 December 2017 16:48:57 UTC, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

I'm sure if I dig some more, I'll find other patents for ways to
generate longer battery life numbers at the expense of other features.

Hmmm... my battery is low and old. Maybe that's why I'm losing at
Solitaire?

Apple phones are very much aimed at people that know nothing about technology and don't want to learn. They're idiot proofed partly by key useful features not being available. One can criticise them, but tbh I reckon they know their market.


Even the unsophisticated user can tell when his phone is getting slow. Many
people will then trade it in not knowing this could easily be fixed.

--

Rick C

Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms,
on the centerline of totality since 1998

harry newton
Guest

Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:16 am   



He who is harry newton said on Wed, 27 Dec 2017 17:05:03 +0000 (UTC):
Quote:
Fair enough observation but the Materials Science experts seem to be
inferring a different take on that same sentiment, by stating that Apple
batteries were sold with intolerable (and unadvertised) performance decay.

They "clearly came with intolerable performance decay." says The Verge.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/21/16806582/apple-battery-slowdown-science


Apple basically admitted today they permanently chopped CPU speeds in half
because they were trying to secretly mask defective batteries that they
didn't want to pay for in-warranty claims.

December 28, 2017
A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance
<https://www.apple.com/iphone-battery-and-performance/>

They desperately try to convince Apple gullibles that all batteries require
the need to be secretly, drastically, and permanently throttled (to half
the original CPU speeds) with this clever marketing document posing as an
engineering white paper.

iPhone Battery and Performance
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208387>

Basically, what they say is that all batteries degrade but only Apple cares
enough about its customers to secretly, permanently, and drastically cut
the CPU performance in half.

The rest of the manufacturers simply replace defective batteries under
warranty. But Apple didn't want to honor the warranty claims.

Even now, they're *still* charging the customer $30 for what amounts to a
defective battery. After the end of 2018, you're fucked again.

The phones affected after iOS 10.2.1 are:
iPhone 6,
iPhone 6 Plus,
iPhone 6s,
iPhone 6s Plus,
iPhone SE,
iPhone 7, and
iPhone 7 (after iOS 11.2)

The secret is never to update iOS and this wouldn't have happened to you.

bitrex
Guest

Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:36 am   



On 12/27/2017 11:48 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Quote:
This might be a serious problem for someone on
Viagra, who's vision is shifted towards blue, and doesn't see any red.


Wait, what?

Jeff Liebermann
Guest

Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:34 am   



On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 22:36:07 -0500, bitrex
<bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:
On 12/27/2017 11:48 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

This might be a serious problem for someone on
Viagra, who's vision is shifted towards blue, and doesn't see any red.

Wait, what?


Cyanopsia or blue tinted vision
<https://io9.gizmodo.com/why-viagra-tints-your-vision-blue-1685176169>
<https://www.zmescience.com/science/biology/why-viagra-makes-you-see-blue-0423432/>

Executive summary: Viagra makes your world blue because an enzyme
that regulates activity in your crotch happens to be very similar to
an enzyme that regulates activity in your eyes.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl_at_cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann
Guest

Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:41 am   



On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 23:22:09 -0500, rickman <gnuarm_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
Even the unsophisticated user can tell when his phone is getting slow. Many
people will then trade it in not knowing this could easily be fixed.


I had a customer phone me today asking if I could find her a cheap
used iPhone 6 for her daughter, who was complaining that her iPhone 5
was "worn out". No sooner had she read that Apple was slowing down
older phones to preserve battery life, the daughter magically
discovered that her phone was suffering from "a slow battery" and the
phone was in need of an upgrade. This might eventually be beneficial
to Apple sales.



--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl_at_cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

pfjw@aol.com
Guest

Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:06 pm   



This is the same troll with the smoke machine and the BMW.

Don't feed the troll.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

harry newton
Guest

Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:52 pm   



He who is Jeff Liebermann said on Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:34:09 -0800:

Quote:
Executive summary: Viagra makes your world blue because an enzyme
that regulates activity in your crotch happens to be very similar to
an enzyme that regulates activity in your eyes.


So the plumbing in the crotch opens up the world to your eyes?

Anyway, Jeff - did you read the fantastically *cleverly worded* apology
from Apple yesterday?

December 28, 2017
A Message to Our Customers about iPhone Batteries and Performance
<https://www.apple.com/iphone-battery-and-performance/>

What you have to admire is how utterly *cleverly* worded the "apology" is.

Just like a smart kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar, they are
clever in what they admit and what they don't admit even though everyone
knows they did it, not for the planned obsolescence (that was just a
bonus), but because they put the wrong battery in the wrong phone and
didn't want to honor the warranty.

Like all Apple Apologists, they can't come clean.

So they essentially apologized for the "misunderstanding". Heh heh.

They apologize for the "mis communication", heh heh...

And then they try to say all kids have their hands caught in the cookie
jar, with their idiotic white paper on batteries - which completely skirts
the issue that no other manufacturer on the planet was caught secretly,
*permanently*, and *drastically* cutting the CPU speeds (in half!).

The fact you can replace a defective battery for $38 after January still
doesn't solve the problem that they're the wrong batteries for the phones.

I *love* their clever apology - which literally screams they didn't do it
for planned obsolescence (they didn't - that was just a bonus) - and yet -
completely skirts the real reason they did it - which was they didn't want
to honor their battery warranty.

Since it's *still* the wrong battery for the phone, it's still a crime
(literally) that they force you to pay even $38 for a new battery.

Not only should the defective batteries be replaced for free, but, one year
after you put the new defective battery in the phone, you're fucked again.

I only speak fact.

bitrex
Guest

Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:32 pm   



On 12/28/2017 11:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 22:36:07 -0500, bitrex
bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

On 12/27/2017 11:48 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

This might be a serious problem for someone on
Viagra, who's vision is shifted towards blue, and doesn't see any red.

Wait, what?

Cyanopsia or blue tinted vision
https://io9.gizmodo.com/why-viagra-tints-your-vision-blue-1685176169
https://www.zmescience.com/science/biology/why-viagra-makes-you-see-blue-0423432/

Executive summary: Viagra makes your world blue because an enzyme
that regulates activity in your crotch happens to be very similar to
an enzyme that regulates activity in your eyes.


Interesting, never knew about that side effect. I'll report back my
empirical findings after the upcoming New Year's weekend

Jeff Liebermann
Guest

Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:57 pm   



On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 11:32:05 -0500, bitrex
<bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:
On 12/28/2017 11:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 22:36:07 -0500, bitrex
bitrex_at_de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

On 12/27/2017 11:48 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

This might be a serious problem for someone on
Viagra, who's vision is shifted towards blue, and doesn't see any red.

Wait, what?

Cyanopsia or blue tinted vision
https://io9.gizmodo.com/why-viagra-tints-your-vision-blue-1685176169
https://www.zmescience.com/science/biology/why-viagra-makes-you-see-blue-0423432/

Executive summary: Viagra makes your world blue because an enzyme
that regulates activity in your crotch happens to be very similar to
an enzyme that regulates activity in your eyes.

Interesting, never knew about that side effect. I'll report back my
empirical findings after the upcoming New Year's weekend


At this point, I would normally scribble a variety of sexually
explicit observations and suggestions. However, this is a family
newsgroup and such things are unfortunately deemed unacceptable.

Technical details: I'm told that it's not a "blue shift" but rather a
"blue tint". Also, the color varies but is generally considered to be
cyan (between blue and green) and not blue.

Full disclosure: I've never noticed the blue tint effect, probably
because I was too busy and distracted at the time.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl_at_cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Harry Newton
Guest

Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:07 pm   



On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 08:57:24 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

Quote:
Full disclosure: I've never noticed the blue tint effect, probably
because I was too busy and distracted at the time.


And all this time I thought I was looking through the world with
rose-tinted glasses!

Ralph Mowery
Guest

Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:08 am   



In article <71i74ddt8vjkceobkqfvogt0kf7bm77aoj_at_4ax.com>,
jeffl_at_cruzio.com says...
Quote:


Sure, but if Apple did NOT reduce consumption somewhere as the battery
aged, you would complain that the iPhone battery didn't survive the
warranty period or operate the advertised number of hours.

What I find disgusting is that Apple did not make the feature optional
and controlled in the settings.


If it takes slowing down the Apple so the battery will last, the battery
is not meeting the standard. I can see it slowing down after the
battery has lasted as long as it is warranted to. There should be some
mention of that in the book that comes with it.


Seems that would be equal to a car that will only go 40 MPH after it
gets say 30,000 miles on it and is warrentied for 50,000.

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