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Phil Allison
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:33 am   



"Glenn Myers"
Quote:

(4) Load value, resistive, reactive?


Whatever current the circuit will comfortably sink ... preferably lots
given the TO-3 stage.


** The TO-3 stage cannot sink ANY current, you will have to rely on the load
to do that.

The main limit on the voltage rising is C3, the 100uF cap - with a 3A
current limit, the max possible rate is 30,000 volts per second. This
equates to a 6 volt peak sine wave at 800Hz.

There is no simple way to make it voltage controlled - but maybe an LDR
with LED drive as one arm of VR1 would allow rapid adjustment.


.... Phil

Glenn Myers
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:34 am   



Thanks guys. I think I've got the picture now .. or at least enough to
try a few things.

Glenn

Bill Sloman
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Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:30 pm   



On Jan 20, 4:08 am, "P E Schoen" <p...@peschoen.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Glenn Myers"  wrote in messagenews:4f18bf16.7071656_at_news.tpg.com.au...

<snip>

Quote:
If you really want a power amplifier or a function generator, then there are
some very inexpensive ICs that can do what you want MUCH better than the
723. It's been so long since I've used one I forgot they even existed. Even
for power supplies, ICs like the LM317 or LM2931 are much better and cheaper
(like 25 cents) and require less external components.

The particular virtue of the 723 is that is uses a voltage reference
based on a avalanche breakdown (at 7.15 +/-0.35V), which is quieter
than the band-gap references used in more modern regulator chips, and
some people keep on using the part for this reason.

In every other respect it's pretty diabolical.

<snip>

--
Bill Sloman,

Phil Allison
Guest

Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:22 pm   



"Dill Slowman"

The particular virtue of the 723 is that is uses a voltage reference
based on a avalanche breakdown (at 7.15 +/-0.35V), which is quieter
than the band-gap references used in more modern regulator chips, and
some people keep on using the part for this reason.


** How dopey.

Vref is accessible for RC filtering of the noise - so it can be easily
reduced to the uV level.


In every other respect it's pretty diabolical.


** Like hell it is.



.... Phil

Bill Sloman
Guest

Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:37 pm   



On Jan 20, 1:22 pm, "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
Quote:
"Dill Slowman"

The particular virtue of the 723 is that is uses a voltage reference
based on a avalanche breakdown (at 7.15 +/-0.35V), which is quieter
than the band-gap references used in more modern regulator chips, and
some people keep on using the part for this reason.

** How dopey.

Perhaps. I'm just reporting facts, not expressing an opinion.

Quote:
Vref is accessible for RC filtering of the noise -  so it can be easily
reduced to the uV level.

In every other respect it's pretty diabolical.

** Like hell it is.

So how do you like it's mechanism for implementing a current limit?

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Phil Allison
Guest

Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:32 am   



"Dill Slowman"
Quote:

The particular virtue of the 723 is that is uses a voltage reference
based on a avalanche breakdown (at 7.15 +/-0.35V), which is quieter
than the band-gap references used in more modern regulator chips, and
some people keep on using the part for this reason.

** How dopey.

Perhaps. I'm just reporting facts, not expressing an opinion.


** You just expressed another wrong opinion.


Quote:
Vref is accessible for RC filtering of the noise - so it can be easily
reduced to the uV level.

In every other respect it's pretty diabolical.

** Like hell it is.

So how do you like it's mechanism for implementing a current limit?


** LOL !!

The man's about as a sharp as a bowling ball.....



.... Phil

Bill Sloman
Guest

Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:21 am   



On Jan 21, 6:32 am, "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
Quote:
 "Dill Slowman"



The particular virtue of the 723 is that is uses a voltage reference
based on a avalanche breakdown (at 7.15 +/-0.35V), which is quieter
than the band-gap references used in more modern regulator chips, and
some people keep on using the part for this reason.

** How dopey.

Perhaps. I'm just reporting facts, not expressing an opinion.

** You just expressed another wrong opinion.

Vref is accessible for RC filtering of the noise - so it can be easily
reduced to the uV level.

In every other respect it's pretty diabolical.

** Like hell it is.

So how do you like it's mechanism for implementing a current limit?

**  LOL !!

The man's about as a sharp as a bowling ball.....

Where's the Phil Allison we've come to expect? Have you found a new
anti-psychotic?

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

legg
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:32 pm   



On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:09:14 GMT, glennmyers_at_intergen.com (Glenn
Myers) wrote:

Quote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:03:34 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

I get "The file link that you requested is not valid."


Very (extemely) sorry about that. This one definitely works.

http://www.4shared.com/photo/tN1TX3ES/Power-Supply.html

The question was how to modulate the IC with a low frequency sinewave
... and any downsides.

Many thanks for the comments so far, and for looking again.

Glenn

You can modulate the output of this circuit by disconnecting R13 at
the pin six connection, setting the pot for maximum, then applying a
0-7v5 dc signal to the open end of R13.

The output will be a Vmod/7v2 fraction of the pot's original setting,
and the pot can still be used as a manual full scale adjustment, while
the external modulator is in effect.

This modulating signal could be the output of a filtered PWM, PAM, FM,
DAC or whatever.

RL

legg
Guest

Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:35 pm   



On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:32:07 -0500, legg <legg_at_nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

Quote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:09:14 GMT, glennmyers_at_intergen.com (Glenn
Myers) wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:03:34 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon_at_On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

I get "The file link that you requested is not valid."


Very (extemely) sorry about that. This one definitely works.

http://www.4shared.com/photo/tN1TX3ES/Power-Supply.html

Some improved survivability of this circuit is provided by:


An emitter-base resistor (1K-4K7) across TR1.
A series collector resistor for TR1.(~100R)
A fuse in series with the line input.

TR2, not being diffused mesa (as it would have been at the time of the
original design) needs foldback current limiting:
A series base resistor for TR3. (~5K)
A Vce-dependant offset provided by a resistor from base of TR3 to the
output. (~100xRB of TR3) This should ~halve the output short circuit
current. If you still want 3A of short circuit current, you should use
a heftier pass transistor, or two 2n3055s in parallel, with ~ 0.3R
emitter ballasting.

At 3A, C1 will likely also need to be larger.

A 1N5401 across the output terminals may ease series/parallel
operation of multiple units and is pretty standard in even the
cheapest products.

RL

Glenn Myers
Guest

Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:22 am   



On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:32:07 -0500, legg <legg_at_nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

Quote:
You can modulate the output of this circuit by disconnecting R13 at
the pin six connection, setting the pot for maximum, then applying a
0-7v5 dc signal to the open end of R13.

The output will be a Vmod/7v2 fraction of the pot's original setting,
and the pot can still be used as a manual full scale adjustment, while
the external modulator is in effect.

This modulating signal could be the output of a filtered PWM, PAM, FM,
DAC or whatever.


Thanks for the expert technical advice. This is something to actually
work with.

Glenn

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