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FMurtz
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:05 pm   



What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

Computer Nerd Kev
Guest

Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:18 am   



FMurtz <haggisz_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
> What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

I expect what they hope is that they would make a fortune when they
up the cost and leave all the new electric car owners forced to pay
whatever price they set.

It strikes me as the same as an introductory offer, but with a car
as the initial sign-up cost.

As for the feasability of charging that many electric cars on top of
normal summer-time power usage in states where the grid is now already
expected by many to fail under previously seen load conditions, I'm
rather suspicous.

Environmentally it's even more suspicious if the government plans to
make up for supply shortfalls by talking power companies into
sticking with coal.

And for people like me who didn't have a clue what this was all
about at first:

https://content.agl.com.au/energy/electric-vehicle-cost-to-run/

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Trevor Wilson
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Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:57 am   



On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
> What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000 cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

FMurtz
Guest

Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:38 am   



Trevor Wilson wrote:
Quote:
On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000 cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

Up to 40 amps for maybe 10 hours a day


Trevor Wilson
Guest

Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:58 am   



On 12/09/2017 1:38 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Quote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000 cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

Up to 40 amps for maybe 10 hours a day


**Yes. And your point is? I just showed that there are more than 1,200
pure EVs (and quite a few PHEVs) in Sydney and probably Melbourne right
now. Every time I drive around Sydney, I see at least one Tesla and
frequently 2 or 3. There are more coming.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

FMurtz
Guest

Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:09 am   



Trevor Wilson wrote:
Quote:
On 12/09/2017 1:38 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000 cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

Up to 40 amps for maybe 10 hours a day

**Yes. And your point is? I just showed that there are more than 1,200
pure EVs (and quite a few PHEVs) in Sydney and probably Melbourne right
now. Every time I drive around Sydney, I see at least one Tesla and
frequently 2 or 3. There are more coming.
we could handle a few

most EVs take a lot less than teslas and if there was a thousand teslas
in sydney itself and similar amounts in other suburbs it would cost AGL
a fortune
On another tack if every car was electric and huge advances were not
made in electric supply would that work, there are already parts of the
UK that recon they will mandate all electric in the not too distant
future, that will be fun.

Sylvia Else
Guest

Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:20 am   



On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
> What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

Dunno.

But one thing is certain, once the number of electric cars starts to
impact on petrol sales, governments will be looking to tax them so as to
recover the lost duty and gst revenue.

Sylvia.

Trevor Wilson
Guest

Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:11 am   



On 12/09/2017 3:09 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Quote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:38 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000 cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

Up to 40 amps for maybe 10 hours a day

**Yes. And your point is? I just showed that there are more than 1,200
pure EVs (and quite a few PHEVs) in Sydney and probably Melbourne right
now. Every time I drive around Sydney, I see at least one Tesla and
frequently 2 or 3. There are more coming.
we could handle a few

most EVs take a lot less than teslas and if there was a thousand teslas
in sydney itself and similar amounts in other suburbs it would cost AGL
a fortune


**I'll say it again: THERE ALREADY ARE MORE THAN 1,200 EVs IN SYDNEY,
RIGHT NOW!

Quote:
On another tack if every car was electric and huge advances were not
made in electric supply would that work, there are already parts of the
UK that recon they will mandate all electric in the not too distant
future, that will be fun.


**Can you suggest another alternative? Unless people in Australia's
large cities switch to public transport in droves, then we are all in
for a great deal of trouble. EVs can mitigate some of the problem.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

FMurtz
Guest

Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:02 am   



Trevor Wilson wrote:
Quote:
On 12/09/2017 3:09 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:38 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000
cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most
likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

Up to 40 amps for maybe 10 hours a day

**Yes. And your point is? I just showed that there are more than 1,200
pure EVs (and quite a few PHEVs) in Sydney and probably Melbourne right
now. Every time I drive around Sydney, I see at least one Tesla and
frequently 2 or 3. There are more coming.
we could handle a few

most EVs take a lot less than teslas and if there was a thousand
teslas in sydney itself and similar amounts in other suburbs it would
cost AGL a fortune

**I'll say it again: THERE ALREADY ARE MORE THAN 1,200 EVs IN SYDNEY,
RIGHT NOW!


**I'll say it again: TESLAs

Quote:

On another tack if every car was electric and huge advances were not
made in electric supply would that work, there are already parts of
the UK that recon they will mandate all electric in the not too
distant future, that will be fun.

**Can you suggest another alternative? Unless people in Australia's
large cities switch to public transport in droves, then we are all in
for a great deal of trouble. EVs can mitigate some of the problem.


If all cars were electric they would probably have to figure out how to
tax highly the electricity used to charge them while not the existing
system ( maybe distance based rego?)and what to do with the collapse of
the existing fuel supply system

Trevor Wilson
Guest

Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:27 pm   



On 12/09/2017 7:02 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Quote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 3:09 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:38 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000
cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a
similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most
likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

Up to 40 amps for maybe 10 hours a day

**Yes. And your point is? I just showed that there are more than 1,200
pure EVs (and quite a few PHEVs) in Sydney and probably Melbourne right
now. Every time I drive around Sydney, I see at least one Tesla and
frequently 2 or 3. There are more coming.
we could handle a few

most EVs take a lot less than teslas and if there was a thousand
teslas in sydney itself and similar amounts in other suburbs it would
cost AGL a fortune

**I'll say it again: THERE ALREADY ARE MORE THAN 1,200 EVs IN SYDNEY,
RIGHT NOW!


**I'll say it again: TESLAs


**And I will say again: There are AT LEAST 1,000 Teslas in Sydney right
now. When the Model 3 arrives, you can expect that figure to increase
significantly.

Quote:


On another tack if every car was electric and huge advances were not
made in electric supply would that work, there are already parts of
the UK that recon they will mandate all electric in the not too
distant future, that will be fun.

**Can you suggest another alternative? Unless people in Australia's
large cities switch to public transport in droves, then we are all in
for a great deal of trouble. EVs can mitigate some of the problem.


If all cars were electric they would probably have to figure out how to
tax highly the electricity used to charge them while not the existing
system ( maybe distance based rego?)and what to do with the collapse of
the existing fuel supply system


**You're thinking vertically. Every car will have a system that
communicates with the relevant authority and will be charged by distance
travelled on most roads. The existing fuel supply system won't collapse
overnight.



--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Computer Nerd Kev
Guest

Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:03 am   



Trevor Wilson <trevor_at_spamblockrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
Quote:
On 12/09/2017 7:02 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 3:09 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:38 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000
cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a
similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most
likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

Up to 40 amps for maybe 10 hours a day

**Yes. And your point is? I just showed that there are more than 1,200
pure EVs (and quite a few PHEVs) in Sydney and probably Melbourne right
now. Every time I drive around Sydney, I see at least one Tesla and
frequently 2 or 3. There are more coming.
we could handle a few

most EVs take a lot less than teslas and if there was a thousand
teslas in sydney itself and similar amounts in other suburbs it would
cost AGL a fortune

**I'll say it again: THERE ALREADY ARE MORE THAN 1,200 EVs IN SYDNEY,
RIGHT NOW!


**I'll say it again: TESLAs

**And I will say again: There are AT LEAST 1,000 Teslas in Sydney right
now. When the Model 3 arrives, you can expect that figure to increase
significantly.


Which will make AGL very happy when they decide to raise their prices
again.

Quote:
On another tack if every car was electric and huge advances were not
made in electric supply would that work, there are already parts of
the UK that recon they will mandate all electric in the not too
distant future, that will be fun.

**Can you suggest another alternative? Unless people in Australia's
large cities switch to public transport in droves, then we are all in
for a great deal of trouble. EVs can mitigate some of the problem.


If all cars were electric they would probably have to figure out how to
tax highly the electricity used to charge them while not the existing
system ( maybe distance based rego?)and what to do with the collapse of
the existing fuel supply system

**You're thinking vertically. Every car will have a system that
communicates with the relevant authority and will be charged by distance
travelled on most roads.


I hope not, I don't want my car spying on me (though I'm probably one of
the very few who usually don't have another device spying on them at the
same time anyway).

It seems to me that AGL have solved the government's problem for them in
this regard. Their new $1/day rate is charged on a specific electric car
outlet of a special power meter which has to be installed in order to
access the deal. The government just has to bill AGL, and all those who
copy them, for a percentage of what their meters charge and the system
is back to normal again.

> The existing fuel supply system won't collapse overnight.

Yep, for as long as our civilisation keeps itself together I doubt that
it will ever become impossible for people like us to buy fuel, but at
some point soon it probably won't make sense to keep using it for
personal everyday transport.

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~misfit~
Guest

Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:39 am   



Once upon a time on usenet FMurtz wrote:
> What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

Politics again - isn't there a group for this?
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

Rheilly Phoull
Guest

Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:32 am   



On 13/09/2017 4:39 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
Quote:
Once upon a time on usenet FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

Politics again - isn't there a group for this?


Good luck on that one !!!

~misfit~
Guest

Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:20 pm   



Once upon a time on usenet Rheilly Phoull wrote:
Quote:
On 13/09/2017 4:39 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

Politics again - isn't there a group for this?

Good luck on that one !!!


Thanks.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

FMurtz
Guest

Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:17 pm   



Trevor Wilson wrote:
Quote:
On 12/09/2017 7:02 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 3:09 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:38 PM, FMurtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/09/2017 1:05 AM, FMurtz wrote:
What would they do with a thousand Teslas in one city?

**They're already here. Tesla is tight-lipped on sales data, but
sell
approximately 1,000 cars per year. Let's say Tesla have sold 1,000
cars
into Sydney, as Sydney is a significant portion of EV sales.

Then there's the others:

Nissan Leaf - 635 cars sold. Let's say, 200 are in Sydney.
Audi A3 e-tron - 128 cars sold. Let's say, 40 in Sydney.
Mitsubishi PHEV - 1,665 cars sold. Let's say, 550 in Sydney.
There are others, but figures are tiny.

So, there are at least 1,200 pure EVs in Sydney and probably a
similar
number in Melbourne. There are more PHEVs as well. Many are most
likely
operated solely on electricity.

Your point is?

Up to 40 amps for maybe 10 hours a day

**Yes. And your point is? I just showed that there are more than 1,200
pure EVs (and quite a few PHEVs) in Sydney and probably Melbourne
right
now. Every time I drive around Sydney, I see at least one Tesla and
frequently 2 or 3. There are more coming.
we could handle a few

most EVs take a lot less than teslas and if there was a thousand
teslas in sydney itself and similar amounts in other suburbs it would
cost AGL a fortune

**I'll say it again: THERE ALREADY ARE MORE THAN 1,200 EVs IN SYDNEY,
RIGHT NOW!


**I'll say it again: TESLAs


Quote:

**And I will say again: There are AT LEAST 1,000 Teslas in Sydney right
now.


So of the 1200 pure ev cars that you say are in Sydney, 1000 of them are
TESLAs ?

When the Model 3 arrives, you can expect that figure to increase
Quote:
significantly.



On another tack if every car was electric and huge advances were not
made in electric supply would that work, there are already parts of
the UK that recon they will mandate all electric in the not too
distant future, that will be fun.

**Can you suggest another alternative? Unless people in Australia's
large cities switch to public transport in droves, then we are all in
for a great deal of trouble. EVs can mitigate some of the problem.


If all cars were electric they would probably have to figure out how
to tax highly the electricity used to charge them while not the
existing system ( maybe distance based rego?)and what to do with the
collapse of the existing fuel supply system

**You're thinking vertically. Every car will have a system that
communicates with the relevant authority and will be charged by distance
travelled on most roads. The existing fuel supply system won't collapse
overnight.




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