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Simon Peacock
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:01 pm
I think the real problem here is trust. According to the revision number,
you made a minor change and all of a sudden it started working.
1.20 -> 1.23 is a small number. If you had changed to 2.00 then people
would have expected a large number of changes. That with a free
downloadable version to trial would allow those people who were bitten badly
by the first version to try and see what its like.
The basic problem is this isn't a one horse race. MS had no real
competition when they screwed the Windows 2.x release, but even still, there
was comment that any version of Windows wont mention 02 in later releases.
With CAD packages, a customer who is burnt badly is unlikely to come back.
That is why you must be very sure you have a stable version before
releasing. If not, you will be excluded until their preference company also
does something stupid (like over price themselves)
My two cents + GST
Simon
"Stanislav" <stas_at_novarm.com> wrote in message
news:1143666860.206899.233950_at_i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
Hi Dax,
No, it was not unusable crap, but one of the first versions. It was
also possible to use it and some people do that today because it was
the last cracked version
, then we've bought protection solution
(first one was home-made). 1.23 also has some issues of course, however
it is much better than 1.20 (1.20 was unprofitable for single person
because of its issues, today there is a profitable company engaging in
DipTrace).
If you don't like DipTrace and think it is lowest of the low-end, this
is your point and your right (there are people who share your opinion),
however just to let you know there are many others who have a different
thinking and switched to DipTrace from other programs (for example
search google for something like "diptrace eagle" for opinions on
forums).
Best regards!
No, it was not unusable crap, but one of the first versions. It was
also possible to use it and some people do that today because it was
the last cracked version
, then we've bought protection solution
(first one was home-made). 1.23 also has some issues of course, however
it is much better than 1.20 (1.20 was unprofitable for single person
because of its issues, today there is a profitable company engaging in
DipTrace).
If you don't like DipTrace and think it is lowest of the low-end, this
is your point and your right (there are people who share your opinion),
however just to let you know there are many others who have a different
thinking and switched to DipTrace from other programs (for example
search google for something like "diptrace eagle" for opinions on
forums).
Best regards!
Guest
Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:39 am
RST Engineering (jw) wrote:
Quote:
Hey, I didn't mean to start a fight. I simply noted that almost all of the
medium to low range software was not only written outside the US, but sold
from outside the US. The only exception that I know about was
Circuitmaker/Traxmaker in Utah, but they were bought and killed off by
Protel.
And AMS may have had an office in Florida, but I think I can safely assure
you that the real main office was not in Florida.
It just seemed odd, that's all. No offense intended.
Jim
"Christian HOSTELET" <christian.hostelet-paspam-@free.fr> wrote in message
news:441882d1$0$13011$626a54ce_at_news.free.fr...
Why those non-US citizens are able to design and produce some good pieces
of software without the help of the great USA?
Are you suggesting this is not a "normal" situation? If yes, please think
twice.
Jim
--
Christian - Grenoble
Just a note, AMS only marketed EZRoute, it was designed/written in Florida. It's alive and well now known as EZRoute2000. If interested please look at www.ezr2000plus.com
medium to low range software was not only written outside the US, but sold
from outside the US. The only exception that I know about was
Circuitmaker/Traxmaker in Utah, but they were bought and killed off by
Protel.
And AMS may have had an office in Florida, but I think I can safely assure
you that the real main office was not in Florida.
It just seemed odd, that's all. No offense intended.
Jim
"Christian HOSTELET" <christian.hostelet-paspam-@free.fr> wrote in message
news:441882d1$0$13011$626a54ce_at_news.free.fr...
Why those non-US citizens are able to design and produce some good pieces
of software without the help of the great USA?
Are you suggesting this is not a "normal" situation? If yes, please think
twice.
Jim
--
Christian - Grenoble
Just a note, AMS only marketed EZRoute, it was designed/written in Florida. It's alive and well now known as EZRoute2000. If interested please look at www.ezr2000plus.com
Bill Jenkins, user / supporter of all versions since 1987
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:42 am
RST Engineering (jw) wrote:
Quote:
Hey, I didn't mean to start a fight. I simply noted that almost all of the
medium to low range software was not only written outside the US, but sold
from outside the US. The only exception that I know about was
Circuitmaker/Traxmaker in Utah, but they were bought and killed off by
Protel.
And AMS may have had an office in Florida, but I think I can safely assure
you that the real main office was not in Florida.
It just seemed odd, that's all. No offense intended.
Jim
"Christian HOSTELET" <christian.hostelet-paspam-@free.fr> wrote in message
news:441882d1$0$13011$626a54ce_at_news.free.fr...
Why those non-US citizens are able to design and produce some good pieces
of software without the help of the great USA?
Are you suggesting this is not a "normal" situation? If yes, please think
twice.
Jim
--
Christian - Grenoble
PS as a non-US citizen, I' m proud to be able to sell and support EZRoute2000 software.
Bill
medium to low range software was not only written outside the US, but sold
from outside the US. The only exception that I know about was
Circuitmaker/Traxmaker in Utah, but they were bought and killed off by
Protel.
And AMS may have had an office in Florida, but I think I can safely assure
you that the real main office was not in Florida.
It just seemed odd, that's all. No offense intended.
Jim
"Christian HOSTELET" <christian.hostelet-paspam-@free.fr> wrote in message
news:441882d1$0$13011$626a54ce_at_news.free.fr...
Why those non-US citizens are able to design and produce some good pieces
of software without the help of the great USA?
Are you suggesting this is not a "normal" situation? If yes, please think
twice.
Jim
--
Christian - Grenoble
PS as a non-US citizen, I' m proud to be able to sell and support EZRoute2000 software.
Bill
Guest
Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:43 am
RST Engineering (jw) wrote:
Quote:
Hey, I didn't mean to start a fight. I simply noted that almost all of the
medium to low range software was not only written outside the US, but sold
from outside the US. The only exception that I know about was
Circuitmaker/Traxmaker in Utah, but they were bought and killed off by
Protel.
And AMS may have had an office in Florida, but I think I can safely assure
you that the real main office was not in Florida.
It just seemed odd, that's all. No offense intended.
Jim
"Christian HOSTELET" <christian.hostelet-paspam-@free.fr> wrote in message
news:441882d1$0$13011$626a54ce_at_news.free.fr...
Why those non-US citizens are able to design and produce some good pieces
of software without the help of the great USA?
Are you suggesting this is not a "normal" situation? If yes, please think
twice.
Jim
--
Christian - Grenoble
PS as a non-US citizen, I' m proud to be able to sell and support EZRoute2000 software.
Bill
medium to low range software was not only written outside the US, but sold
from outside the US. The only exception that I know about was
Circuitmaker/Traxmaker in Utah, but they were bought and killed off by
Protel.
And AMS may have had an office in Florida, but I think I can safely assure
you that the real main office was not in Florida.
It just seemed odd, that's all. No offense intended.
Jim
"Christian HOSTELET" <christian.hostelet-paspam-@free.fr> wrote in message
news:441882d1$0$13011$626a54ce_at_news.free.fr...
Why those non-US citizens are able to design and produce some good pieces
of software without the help of the great USA?
Are you suggesting this is not a "normal" situation? If yes, please think
twice.
Jim
--
Christian - Grenoble
PS as a non-US citizen, I' m proud to be able to sell and support EZRoute2000 software.
Bill
Anton Erasmus
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Guest
Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:22 am
On 23 Mar 2006 09:36:16 -0500, DJ Delorie <dj_at_delorie.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Lukas Louw" <louw1_at_att.net> writes:
The points you raise really don't mean much in practice:)
Nor do bullet lists on corporate web pages, which makes it hard for us
developers to know what people would really benefit from.
If you want, I can go through the GEDA specs some time and compile a
list of features that I perceive as lacking. It'll take me at least
a week to get to that though, my workload is pretty heavy at this
point. Is there a concise doc somewhere that lists everything, or do
I have to hunt?
Heh. Documentation is *high* on our list of things to improve. At
the moment, the best bet is to read the various tutorials to get a
feel for the workflow; Circuit Cellar has published one of a two-part
article on the workflow; there's online tutorials as well.
No rush, of course!
IMHO the best way to "learn" gEDA is to pick a small project that
isn't time-constrained and try using gEDA to accomplish it.
Hi,
For me the biggest hurdle to switch to a different CAD package is what
do I do with all the stuff I have generated over the years. Hence for
me the number one feature I look at before spending any further time
evaluating a new CAD package, is it's import export filters. If one
can import old work, then one can be productive much quicker. The
export feature allows one to gradually switch over and/or still use
some features that is not yet available in the new CAD system.
When writing the import/export filters, one would also quickly pick up
the features which are missing in gEDA. Most PCB and Schematic CAD
packages has got an ASCII file format available which should be quite
easy to generate and to parse. One of my biggest gripes with most of
the commercial packages are that they do their utmost to not support
other file formats, so that one are forced to keep using their product
- not becuase it is the best, but because one has invested so much
effort in creating things in their format over the years.
In the mechanical CAD world, there are at least a few file formats
which seems to be universally supported. (DXF, IGES, STEP etc)
Being able to export CAD information in a nice VECTOR format which can
be imported into documentation is also highly desireble. Proper
implimations of EMF, WMF, SVF, EPS, CMX , ODG and PDF export filters
would make it possible to get the CAD drawings into most word
processors at a high quality without to much effort.
Being able to export one's work makes it much easier to risk the use
of a new package on a job. If it doesn't work out, then one can export
the files and continue on int the old CAD package. It also helps when
the customer wants the files in a specific CAD package format.
Regards
Anton Erasmus
DJ Delorie
Guest
Guest
Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:23 pm
Anton Erasmus <nobody_at_spam.prevent.net> writes:
Quote:
Most PCB and Schematic CAD packages has got an ASCII file format
available which should be quite easy to generate and to parse.
available which should be quite easy to generate and to parse.
gEDA's native file formats are all ASCII, and documented.
We're very light on the converters though. Mostly we convert to/from
netlists.
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