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Bret Cahill
Guest

Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:06 pm   



Quote:
But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
stuff.
---
Not only that,

"The American farmer is the only man in our economy
who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."

John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960

JF
Shows how stupid he was.

/BAH
Never vote for anyone with charisma.

---
/BAH for president!!!

Can't, I'm allergic to politics.

/BAH

Imagine what sort of twisted personality actually *wants* to be a
congressman. Prison would be less tedious.

Public service isn't an easy job. If you aren't fastidious about who
is offering you money you wind up in prison.

I once laughed at the new federal building getting named after Tampa
congressman Sam Gibbons.

"What did he ever do beside get some retiree's social security check
remailed?"

Then I started to back calculate . . .


Bret Cahill

jmfbahciv
Guest

Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:34 pm   



John Larkin wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:46:43 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:29:39 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:25:12 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:11:55 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
stuff.
---
Not only that,

"The American farmer is the only man in our economy
who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."

John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960

JF
Shows how stupid he was.

/BAH
Never vote for anyone with charisma.
---
/BAH for president!!!

Can't, I'm allergic to politics.

/BAH

Imagine what sort of twisted personality actually *wants* to be a
congressman. Prison would be less tedious.

In aulden days, that work used to be considered an obligation,

not a career path.

/BAH

John Larkin
Guest

Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:07 pm   



On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:34:16 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

Quote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:46:43 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:29:39 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:25:12 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:11:55 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
stuff.
---
Not only that,

"The American farmer is the only man in our economy
who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."

John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960

JF
Shows how stupid he was.

/BAH
Never vote for anyone with charisma.
---
/BAH for president!!!

Can't, I'm allergic to politics.

/BAH

Imagine what sort of twisted personality actually *wants* to be a
congressman. Prison would be less tedious.

In aulden days, that work used to be considered an obligation,
not a career path.

/BAH

It was also a part-time job, performed by real people who lived and
worked among the people they represented. A simpler time fer sure.

John

Bret Cahill
Guest

Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:40 pm   



Quote:
But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
stuff.
---
Not only that,

"The American farmer is the only man in our economy
who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."

John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960

JF
Shows how stupid he was.

/BAH
Never vote for anyone with charisma.
---
/BAH for president!!!

Can't, I'm allergic to politics.

/BAH

Imagine what sort of twisted personality actually *wants* to be a
congressman. Prison would be less tedious.

In aulden days, that work used to be considered an obligation,
not a career path.

According to Tocqueville in _Democracy In America_ (1833) poor
Americans went into public service to make money.

Tocqueville said at first it might seem surprising that the American
democracy could flourish with such disreputable sleaze bags in power.

The political scientist then pointed out that was confusing cause and
effect:

"The American democracy doesn't thrive because of the elected
magistrates. It thrives because the public officials are elective."

He went on to say the prince in an aristocracy could have every virtue
and ruin his country while the politician could have every vice and
wind up, in spite of himself, helping his country.

Your ignorance of American political history isn't unique. The _New
York Times_ is always trying to get everyone to believe that Pat
Robertson's brand of fascism came over on the Mayflower when no less
than 7 state constitutions including many from the South prohibited
priests and ministers from holding public office, "and public opinion
prevented it everywhere else."

The historians who wrote the PBS _Civil War_ documentary presented U.
S. Grant's life as interesting because he made and lost his fortune
several times.

In a functional democracy _everyone_ makes and loses many fortunes
over his lifetime.

Historical revisionism isn't unique to the U. S. either. 70 years
after the French Revolution most French attributed widespread property
ownership to their Revolution.

Researching archives and earlier commentary Tocqueville showed in _The
Ancien Regime and the Revolution_ that half the land of France was
owned by the peasants before the Revolution.


Bret Cahill

Bret Cahill
Guest

Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:42 pm   



Quote:
But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
stuff.
---
Not only that,

"The American farmer is the only man in our economy
who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."

John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960

JF
Shows how stupid he was.

/BAH
Never vote for anyone with charisma.
---
/BAH for president!!!

Can't, I'm allergic to politics.

/BAH

Imagine what sort of twisted personality actually *wants* to be a
congressman. Prison would be less tedious.

In aulden days, that work used to be considered an obligation,
not a career path.

/BAH

It was also a part-time job, performed by real people who lived and
worked among the people they represented. A simpler time fer sure.

At the constitutional convention someone suggested the president work
for free.

Madison answered, "don't depend on patriotism."


Bret Cahill

jmfbahciv
Guest

Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:34 pm   



John Larkin wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:34:16 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:46:43 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:29:39 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:25:12 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:11:55 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
stuff.
---
Not only that,

"The American farmer is the only man in our economy
who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."

John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960

JF
Shows how stupid he was.

/BAH
Never vote for anyone with charisma.
---
/BAH for president!!!

Can't, I'm allergic to politics.

/BAH
Imagine what sort of twisted personality actually *wants* to be a
congressman. Prison would be less tedious.

In aulden days, that work used to be considered an obligation,
not a career path.

/BAH

It was also a part-time job, performed by real people who lived and
worked among the people they represented. A simpler time fer sure.

I don't think it was simpler.


/BAH

John Larkin
Guest

Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:35 pm   



On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:34:12 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

Quote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:34:16 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:46:43 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:29:39 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:25:12 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:11:55 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
stuff.
---
Not only that,

"The American farmer is the only man in our economy
who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."

John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960

JF
Shows how stupid he was.

/BAH
Never vote for anyone with charisma.
---
/BAH for president!!!

Can't, I'm allergic to politics.

/BAH
Imagine what sort of twisted personality actually *wants* to be a
congressman. Prison would be less tedious.

In aulden days, that work used to be considered an obligation,
not a career path.

/BAH

It was also a part-time job, performed by real people who lived and
worked among the people they represented. A simpler time fer sure.

I don't think it was simpler.

/BAH

I think it was. The world had far fewer stimuli, far slower pace of
life, and smaller-scale living in that people usually interacted with
far fewer people than they do now, traveled a lot less, had fewer
lovers/marriages/divorces, didn't have to deal with income taxes or
Windows.

Speakin of... I'm trying to use a cute little Samsung netbook thing to
run an automation project. I used the Windows settings to disable
suspend and shutdown, and it ignored me. Turns out that Samsung
installed their own "battery manager" that does all the same
functions, and I think they are at war or something. And if it does
suspend, when it wakes up it demands an admin password, and there is
no admin password, so all you can do is shut down and restart. None of
that being good for remote automation apps.

John

Rod Speed
Guest

Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:20 pm   



John Larkin wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:34:12 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:34:16 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:46:43 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol
wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:29:39 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:25:12 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol
wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:11:55 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually
make useful stuff.
---
Not only that,

"The American farmer is the only man in our economy
who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."

John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960

JF
Shows how stupid he was.

/BAH
Never vote for anyone with charisma.
---
/BAH for president!!!

Can't, I'm allergic to politics.

/BAH
Imagine what sort of twisted personality actually *wants* to be a
congressman. Prison would be less tedious.

In aulden days, that work used to be considered an obligation,
not a career path.

/BAH

It was also a part-time job, performed by real people who lived and
worked among the people they represented. A simpler time fer sure.

I don't think it was simpler.

I think it was.

In some respects it was, in some it wasnt.

There were lots of full depressions in the century before 1929 for example and none since then.

Quote:
The world had far fewer stimuli,

Even that is arguable with the immigrants for example.

Quote:
far slower pace of life,

Even that is arguable with the immigrants for example.

Quote:
and smaller-scale living in that people usually interacted
with far fewer people than they do now, traveled a lot less,

Even that is arguable with the immigrants for example.

Quote:
had fewer lovers/marriages/divorces,

But appeared to fuck around just as much, particularly with the dregs of society.

Quote:
didn't have to deal with income taxes or Windows.

But did have to deal with a civil war, kicking the british out, and mules etc etc etc.

Quote:
Speakin of... I'm trying to use a cute little Samsung netbook thing to
run an automation project. I used the Windows settings to disable
suspend and shutdown, and it ignored me. Turns out that Samsung
installed their own "battery manager" that does all the same functions,
and I think they are at war or something. And if it does suspend,
when it wakes up it demands an admin password, and there is
no admin password, so all you can do is shut down and restart.
None of that being good for remote automation apps.

Easy enough to unload samsung's battery manager.

jmfbahciv
Guest

Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:20 pm   



John Larkin wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:34:12 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:34:16 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:46:43 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:29:39 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:25:12 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:11:55 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
stuff.
---
Not only that,

"The American farmer is the only man in our economy
who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."

John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960

JF
Shows how stupid he was.

/BAH
Never vote for anyone with charisma.
---
/BAH for president!!!

Can't, I'm allergic to politics.

/BAH
Imagine what sort of twisted personality actually *wants* to be a
congressman. Prison would be less tedious.

In aulden days, that work used to be considered an obligation,
not a career path.

/BAH
It was also a part-time job, performed by real people who lived and
worked among the people they represented. A simpler time fer sure.

I don't think it was simpler.

/BAH

I think it was. The world had far fewer stimuli, far slower pace of
life, and smaller-scale living in that people usually interacted with
far fewer people than they do now, traveled a lot less, had fewer
lovers/marriages/divorces, didn't have to deal with income taxes or
Windows.

Had no social structure to support them if they got sick, injured or
a fire destroyed all assets. Had to shovel real shit daily. Had
to do direct hunting and gathering which took 20 times more time
than tripping down to the grocery store 1/week. Travel time was
measured in months and weeks instead of minutes and days. Outdoor
plumbing. No short nor long term weather prediction. Lots of
wars. Very little manufacturing industry so you had to make things
yourself. Daily bread making. It wasn't slower paced. You worked
your butt off and then had breakfast.

Quote:

Speakin of... I'm trying to use a cute little Samsung netbook thing to
run an automation project. I used the Windows settings to disable
suspend and shutdown, and it ignored me. Turns out that Samsung
installed their own "battery manager" that does all the same
functions, and I think they are at war or something. And if it does
suspend, when it wakes up it demands an admin password, and there is
no admin password, so all you can do is shut down and restart. None of
that being good for remote automation apps.

Why did you choose Windows? It requires lots of other "apps" just to

stay functional. Sounds like you want most of the CPU and other
resources to be available for your automation rather than the OS
and its complicated services.

/BAH

jmfbahciv
Guest

Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:23 pm   



Rod Speed wrote:
Quote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:34:12 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:34:16 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:46:43 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol
wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:29:39 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:25:12 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol
wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:11:55 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually
make useful stuff.
---
Not only that,

"The American farmer is the only man in our economy
who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."

John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960

JF
Shows how stupid he was.

/BAH
Never vote for anyone with charisma.
---
/BAH for president!!!

Can't, I'm allergic to politics.

/BAH
Imagine what sort of twisted personality actually *wants* to be a
congressman. Prison would be less tedious.

In aulden days, that work used to be considered an obligation,
not a career path.

/BAH
It was also a part-time job, performed by real people who lived and
worked among the people they represented. A simpler time fer sure.

I don't think it was simpler.

I think it was.

In some respects it was, in some it wasnt.

There were lots of full depressions in the century before 1929 for example and none since then.

The world had far fewer stimuli,

Even that is arguable with the immigrants for example.

far slower pace of life,

Even that is arguable with the immigrants for example.

Sigh! Non-immigrants had farms. You really should learn about
work.

<snip>

Quote:

Easy enough to unload samsung's battery manager.

I'd trust Samsung to know how their gear worked over
any other software company's.

Are you ever going to answer my question about how IP
was defined?


/BAH

John Larkin
Guest

Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:09 pm   



On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:20:05 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

Quote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:34:12 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:34:16 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:46:43 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:29:39 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:25:12 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:11:55 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
stuff.
---
Not only that,

"The American farmer is the only man in our economy
who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."

John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960

JF
Shows how stupid he was.

/BAH
Never vote for anyone with charisma.
---
/BAH for president!!!

Can't, I'm allergic to politics.

/BAH
Imagine what sort of twisted personality actually *wants* to be a
congressman. Prison would be less tedious.

In aulden days, that work used to be considered an obligation,
not a career path.

/BAH
It was also a part-time job, performed by real people who lived and
worked among the people they represented. A simpler time fer sure.

I don't think it was simpler.

/BAH

I think it was. The world had far fewer stimuli, far slower pace of
life, and smaller-scale living in that people usually interacted with
far fewer people than they do now, traveled a lot less, had fewer
lovers/marriages/divorces, didn't have to deal with income taxes or
Windows.

Had no social structure to support them if they got sick, injured or
a fire destroyed all assets. Had to shovel real shit daily. Had
to do direct hunting and gathering which took 20 times more time
than tripping down to the grocery store 1/week. Travel time was
measured in months and weeks instead of minutes and days. Outdoor
plumbing. No short nor long term weather prediction. Lots of
wars. Very little manufacturing industry so you had to make things
yourself. Daily bread making. It wasn't slower paced. You worked
your butt off and then had breakfast.


Speakin of... I'm trying to use a cute little Samsung netbook thing to
run an automation project. I used the Windows settings to disable
suspend and shutdown, and it ignored me. Turns out that Samsung
installed their own "battery manager" that does all the same
functions, and I think they are at war or something. And if it does
suspend, when it wakes up it demands an admin password, and there is
no admin password, so all you can do is shut down and restart. None of
that being good for remote automation apps.

Why did you choose Windows? It requires lots of other "apps" just to
stay functional. Sounds like you want most of the CPU and other
resources to be available for your automation rather than the OS
and its complicated services.

/BAH

I like to program stuff like this in PowerBasic, and that runs under
Windows. I'm doing remote automation by bouncing files through my FTP
site in both directions. Running it on a tiny Samsung XP netbook is
the most pragmatic way to do this at the remote site. The "process"
interface is RS232 to an analog/digital acquisition rig.

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/Auto_wired.jpg

All I have to do is persuade the warring power managers to leave the
damned thing on. I did find a nice little ramdisk driver, the Gavotte
thing, that will let me keep thrashing my files without keeping the
hard drive spinning.

Apologies for drifting on-topic.

John

Rod Speed
Guest

Sat Feb 13, 2010 6:16 pm   



jmfbahciv wrote
Quote:
Rod Speed wrote
John Larkin wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote
John Larkin wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote
John Larkin wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote
John Fields wrote
John Larkin <jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote
jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv_at_aol> wrote
John Fields wrote
John Larkin <jjlarkin_at_highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote

But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful stuff.
---
Not only that,

"The American farmer is the only man in our economy
who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."

John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960

JF
Shows how stupid he was.

/BAH
Never vote for anyone with charisma.
---
/BAH for president!!!

Can't, I'm allergic to politics.

/BAH
Imagine what sort of twisted personality actually *wants* to be
a congressman. Prison would be less tedious.

In aulden days, that work used to be considered an obligation,
not a career path.

/BAH
It was also a part-time job, performed by real people who lived
and worked among the people they represented. A simpler time fer
sure.
I don't think it was simpler.

I think it was.

In some respects it was, in some it wasnt.

There were lots of full depressions in the century before 1929 for
example and none since then.
The world had far fewer stimuli,

Even that is arguable with the immigrants for example.

far slower pace of life,

Even that is arguable with the immigrants for example.

Sigh!

Heavy breathing aint gunna save your bacon!!

Quote:
Non-immigrants had farms.

Irrelevant to the point I was making there.

Quote:
You really should learn about work.

You really should let go of your dick before you end up completely blind.

On the other hand...

Quote:
Easy enough to unload samsung's battery manager.

I'd trust Samsung to know how their gear worked over any other software company's.

Your problem. If he does not like how it behaves, its easy enough
to unload it if he doesnt like its approach to battery management.

Quote:
Are you ever going to answer my question about how IP was defined?

I've never bothered with your mindless shit.

Bret Cahill
Guest

Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:48 pm   



Quote:
I think it was.

And a lot of rightards thought the Federalist #10 was written by Karl
Marx.

Google _Das KapitalOne_ on alt.philosophy for a good laugh.

They continued to believe that nonsense even though several liberals
were busy trying to expose my prank.

Too stupid to google the text from one of the most important works in
political science.

Quote:
The world had far fewer stimuli, far slower pace of
life,

They certainly devoted much more time to politics and good
government.
Tocqueville wrote in 1833 that politics was one half of an American's
life.

Democratic government will always be more sophisticated than despotic
societies where executing the opposition as in Iran is the only thing
that ever happens.

As Tocqueville pointed out in 1833 the number of newspapers in the U.
S. "surpassed belief." It sounded like they already had the
internet.

Instead of reading the political classics most Americans have been
watching excitin' Hollywood action movies, Madison Avenue ads and the
corp. media's 24/7 propaganda campaign to keep Americans ignorant of
Jeffersonian democracy.


Bret Cahill


"The right to tax . . . embodies all other rights."

-- Mao

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