45-degree diagonal cutters?

Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:19 pm   

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:41:30 -0800 (PST), Greegor <greegor47_at_gmail.com>
wrote:



No, but the remark was incorrect because there are plenty of examples
of companies that have no problem stocking or using expensive items along
with their other assets.

Your remark had/has absolutely no basis in fact.
And that "theftability" remark was about as stupid as it gets.

Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:17 pm   

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:29:29 -0800, DaveC <invalid_at_invalid.net> wrote:



Lindstrom Precision seems to have some choices:
http://www.restockit.com/4-Angled-Fc-Pliers-(188-GA54JV).html?source=froogle&Bvar5=100F1&Bvar6=100F1&Bvar7=100F1

perhaps model 7280 or model 7285
Expensive: I found US$73 for 7280, US$110 for 7285,

http://rocky.digikey.com/weblib/Cooper%20Tools/Web%20Data/Xcelite%20Catalog.pdf
449 (54 of 122) Xcelite Diagonal End Cutter Pliers
Angled Diagonal End Cutter, GA54J and GA5A4JV
(packaging difference only) maybe US$23

450 (55 of 122) has
Angled Head Cutter EGA54J,
Transverse End Cutter EC54{J,JV} - may not be shape you want.
Maybe $US36
Angled Tip Cutter LC665{J,JV} maybe US$27

All cost estimates from www.froogle.com; all price estimates are
probably exclusive of handling, shipping, taxes, etc.

Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:09 am   

One big difference in these types of tools, is whether they are made from
sheet steel stampings, or forged steel.
The forged steel versions typically last for decades, but cost more.

I have some miniature forged steel flush cutting pliers sold by Snap-On
which have handles that are nearly 90 degrees to the cutting edges. The
cutting jaws are fairly small, and project outward to one side. The reach of
the cutting edges allows them to reach under obstructions by about 1/4".
Some other forged steel flush cutting models I have were made by Hunter.
Several are the typical cutters which have the cutting edges in a straight
line to the handles, but a couple pair have the cutting edges at nearly 45
degrees, which make it possible to reach slightly under certain
obstructions.

I think that flush cutting is always better than the common beveled cutting
edges. Cutting requires less effort, and there's less distortion of the
material that's just "pinched off" by common beveled jaws.

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Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:55 am   

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:09:30 -0500, "Wild_Bill"
<wb_wildbill_at_XSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:


The lindstroms are not forged. They are fully machined from ball
bearing steel.

Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:57 pm   

AwlSome Auger wrote:


Just like the steel plate in your head?


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Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:46 pm   

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:57:04 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell_at_earthlink.net> wrote:



Yeah, it is so steely that it stole away any hope you ever had of being
considered an intelligent individual in this group.

Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:47 pm   

Full context restored for unanswered questions.

On Feb 11, 2:39 am, Sansui Samari <jimjam1...@gmail.com> wrote:
SS > I cobbed a bunch of lindstrom cutters and pliers
SS > from a place I worked at years ago. They were
SS > going belly up and tossed out boxes of the things.
SS > I'm still using the few that I haven't given away
SS > or broken. As long as you don't use them to cut
SS > steal (hence the broken cutters) they are
SS > awesome. I wish I would have grabbed more.


G > Were they going belly up because of
G > buying only the finest, or despite of that?
G >
G > At the liquidation sales for some bankrupt
G > companies, sometimes I have seen hard,
G > tangeable evidence of WHY they went broke.


lifeimitateslife wrote:
lil > I think you assign "hard and tangible" to
lil > others when it can be assigned to you.
lil > Hard and tangible evidence that your
lil > statistical analysis prowess ain't that great.
lil >
lil > If the difference between buying $600
lil > worth of cheap shit tools or $5000
lil > worth of long lasting, high quality tools
lil > is a figure that you think could break
lil > just about any company, < snip>

G > Are you saying that the outfit that
G > Sansui Samurai described as having
G > gone belly up did the right thing by
G > buying $5000 worth of Rolls Royce
G > hand tools rather than the Xcelite
G > ones which would have cost $600?

lil > No. I am saying that your claim that it is any indication of a
lil > causation for having gone bankrupt, is a fallacy, and it is.

G > That you disagree does not make something a logical fallacy.

G > Wasteful overspending and overcommitment
G > in purchasing are common contributors to
G > business failure. The number one cause of
G > failure for small business is undercapitalization
G > or excessive cost of money. ie Cost controls.

G > The stuff that "belly up" companies throw away
G > or liquidate MAY VERY WELL reveal important
G > symptoms of problems that destroyed them.

G > Like most people here I enjoy and appreciate
G > truly good quality tools, FOR ME.

G > As others have mentioned, theftability, loss
G > and abuse CAN MEAN that the Xcelite tools
G > provide a better Return On Investment.

G > The nature of the work, the security of
G > individuals toolboxes, the number of people
G > who might potentially forget to return a
G > tool are all variables that could decide
G > whether the ROLLS ROYCE quality of
G > nippers are a good or bad idea.

G > Fluorescent light bulbs at $ 4 a shot are
G > great if your mortgage is totally paid off.
G > If you're selling your home next week
G > or if you're a landlord the ROI's not there.

G > Businesses OWNING their own facilities
G > sometimes find that they are better off to
G > sell their own building and rent it back
G > because they can't charge off any building
G > cost if they OWN the building.

G > I neither condone this nor like it, I just report it.

G > I LOVE well machined high quality tools
G > and craftsmanship, but it doesn't always
G > show up on the P&L sheet. I wish it did.

G > You seem to be applying personal taste
G > to profitability rationalizations.

G > That's partly why "bean counters" are
G > so widely disliked, isn't it?

G > My background is in small businesses
G > where you wear many hats and can't
G > blame "that other guy".

G > Were they going belly up because of
G > buying only the finest, or despite of that?
G >
G > Didn't I convey two alternatives there?
G >
G > That the outfit failed:
G > A. BECAUSE they buy "only the finest" or
G > B. DESPITE buying "only the finest"?
G >
G > It's like option A set you off so much that
G > you overlooked option B.

G > Did you miss option B, lil ?

G > Judging from the way you took it very
G > personally, I'm guessing that you worked
G > somewhere where you groused about
G > the shit Xcelite nippers all day long....

G > How is that different from the
G > MacIntosh kooks?

G > I wrote this BEFORE I read your posted
G > story about exploding at a new guy for
G > using your tools. Did somebody at the
G > company give him permission to do so?

G > Telling the new guy to use your toolbox
G > would seem to be fairly typical hazing or
G > office politics considering your reaction.

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G > That you disagree does not make something a logical fallacy.

AL > No, but the remark was incorrect because there
AL > are plenty of examples of companies that have
AL > no problem stocking or using expensive items
AL > along with their other assets.

Those would fall under option B that I suggested from the beginning.

AL > Your remark had/has absolutely no basis in fact.

Please diagram your logic.

AL > And that "theftability" remark was about as stupid as it gets.

So extremely so that you didn't have to explain how, logically, right?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:53 am   

AwlSome Auger wrote:
AA > The lindstroms are not forged. They are
AA > fully machined from ball bearing steel.

That's a strange way to pretend you have balls.

Did anybody else get the feeling that "life imitates life"
is somehow getting a kickback from lindstrom?

LOL

Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:52 am   

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:53:56 -0800 (PST), Greegor
<greegor47_at_gmail.com> wrote:


Nah, no one would actually pay someone to be AlwaysWrong.

Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:40 am   

AwlSome Auger wrote:


Yawn. Another lame dimbulb attempt at a putdown.

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Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:24 am   

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:47:27 -0800 (PST), Greegor <greegor47_at_gmail.com>
wrote:


It is like you are trying to say that a company would go under because
it chose an expensive Mac over a PC. It is severely flawed logic.



Maybe not in the little hick town hick shop you worked in, but where I
work all the employees are honorable.

Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:26 am   

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:53:56 -0800 (PST), Greegor <greegor47_at_gmail.com>
wrote:


Grow the fuck up, retard boy.

Dude, you are a fucking idiot. They are not forged.

One does not have to get a kickback to simply iterate facts.

You could use a bath, however, fucktard.

Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:44 am   

life imitates life wrote:

It's not always a question of honor. In a socialist/communist environment
work (or the workers) own the tools and not each individual worker.

As China and India come up in the world, it's going to be the way things
are done.

What keeps the small craftsmen in the west going is that no one can duplicate
the work they do, at the price they do it. Eventually due to improved skill
and more automation, they will.

When it gets to the point that a designer in the US can email a design file
to a shop in Hong Kong, or elsewhere in the PRC, and get a perfect model
delivered by FedEx in a few days for 1/2 the cost of producing locally,
those companies will close quickly.

Look at what happened to the printing industry.

Geoff.

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Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:32 am   

In article <slrnhnf38k.8km.gsm_at_cable.mendelson.com>,
Geoffrey S. Mendelson <gsm_at_cable.mendelson.com> wrote:

You think India communist? ;-)

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Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:11 pm   

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 05:44:03 +0000 (UTC), "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
<gsm_at_cable.mendelson.com> wrote:



Printing hell! You can "print" hard 3D prototypes now.

But according to the dumbass, buying such a machine will surely take
your company down.